SWA today like the airline in the book, "Nuts!"?

[texman]

It's not bad. I like not commuting and going back in to SEA. Most of the CA's will lower the gear or the flaps when I call for them with only a slight hesitation. God, how I missed that ;-). Everyone has made me feel welcome though.

I can honestly say AT was more "fun". It was just a younger airline, less slam clicking. Definitely more crew camaraderie on the overnights. That surprised me at first, but I can see how AT might have been 15-20 years down the road.

Rather than worry about the money I'm not making, I prefer to take advantage of having about 4 days off more a month and using that time wisely.

Yea I notice the slam clicking too when I got here. But the fun is out there. You just have to find it. It's a big company. Yes smaller the better for camaraderie.
I am glad about the people making you feel welcome. I have notice the AT FA's are great! Little quite at times. Good to see things overall are good.

 

[-9Capt]

I think it's interesting that you are calling the pilots of SWAPA spoiled brats when they have worked their @ss off for the contract you will come over to.

Did you guys picket? Did you strike? Was there a sick out? Was there an operational slowdown? Maybe a write up campaign? I didn't think so. SWAPA got what SW management handed them. You guys never fought for any of it...however if things keep going the way they're headed, you may soon have to.

 

[jball2]

I really hope we can all pull the rope in the same direction one day. All of my former AT FOs have been fantastic. One, a former Check Airman, was one of the most humble and kind individuals I've ever met.

Humvee-the fun is out there it's just gone a little underground if you know what I mean. The #1 rule in fightclub kinda thing. ;-)

 

[redflyer65]

Did you guys picket? Did you strike? Was there a sick out? Was there an operational slowdown? Maybe a write up campaign? I didn't think so. SWAPA got what SW management handed them. You guys never fought for any of it...however if things keep going the way they're headed, you may soon have to.

So it's my fault you decided to take a job with horrible management? Sorry you had to work so hard for so little.

PCL, you need to put down the ALPA koolaid dude. Carl is right, but he didn't elaborate on building on each contract successfully did he? That's what happened before he was president and after...for many, many years. All for half the dues that mismanaged, bloated, top-heavy ALPA charges. 2 thousand dollar dinner anyone?

That's the one thing I hear overwhelmingly is the transitioning pilots are more than happy to shed their relationship with ALPA and all the buffoonery.

 

[PCL_128]

PCL, you need to put down the ALPA koolaid dude.

Nah, you just need to put down the "canyon blue" (aka, purple) kool aid, dude.

 

[jball2]

It's Blurple thank you!

 

[maxblast72]

$152? More like mid $180's by the time our senior guys go over and start their pay cut.

You guys still arguing $152 or $180 per hour? We would have 851 AirTran Captains making $215-220/hr right now had the ATN MEC not given Gary Kelly the middle finger on August 18, 2011.

 

[canyonblue]

Nope, all empty threats.

Explain how you can be threatened with an outcome that could never happen. Wow! A real MENSA group you have over there.

 

[canyonblue]

Nah, you just need to put down the "canyon blue" (aka, purple) kool aid, dude.

Sounds like your first day dealing with the acquisition...

Oh no, oh no, oh no..OH YEAH!

 

[-9Capt]

So it's my fault you decided to take a job with horrible management? Sorry you had to work so hard for so little.

Our management was no more horrible than what we've been experiencing since SW took over. BTW, nice way to dodge my point. You guys fought for nothing, it was handed to you.

Over the last 15 years, our contracts were a whole lot better and more lucrative than my friends at USAir, CAL, UAL and until recently DAL, thanks mostly to rapid growth and a 2yr upgrade.

I gotta go, the cork broke off in my bottle of Glenlivet.

 

[vixin]

Don't give up fellas! Keep debating this. I know eventually someone will be the clear winner.
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You already do. The AAI pilots. PCL AAI couldn't afford higher rates and $80+ pbl oil and a strong Delta. You need to stop celebrating 420. I am sure you were 3 weeks away from working only Wed. making $300,000 per year 5 week vac and all the White Castle you can eat.

 

[27 driver]

not worth it

 

[redflyer65]

Funny how you will only quote the old contract rates. Those rates have been gone for 3 years.

Ever heard of a 'snapshop' when an acquisition is announced? That's exactly what I'm talking about. If you don't know what you contract was on the date of announcement, then maybe you need to review the facts.

 

[27 driver]

Ever heard of a 'snapshop' when an acquisition is announced? That's exactly what I'm talking about. If you don't know what you contract was on the date of announcement, then maybe you need to review the facts.

I wasn't talking about arbitration. I was talking about pay rates. Nothing more. Maybe you need to review reading comprehension. The fact is none of us know how arbitration would have turned out.

 

[Kermit_D_Frog]

Snapshot. Get it? You whiners need to STFU. You are making the rest of your very cool pilot group look bad. Hope you're "safety" campaign goes swimmingly.

 

[-9Capt]

Ever heard of a 'snapshop' when an acquisition is announced? That's exactly what I'm talking about. If you don't know what you contract was on the date of announcement, then maybe you need to review the facts.

If the contract "snapshot" was was such a meaningful factor in the outcome of arbitration, then why the need for threats and ultimatums? AT would have likely done significantly better in arbitration and everyone but a few SW prima-donna types know that. Whatever dude.

 

[-9Capt]

You whiners need to STFU. You are making the rest of your very cool pilot group look bad.

Yeah, it's us that's doing that...

 

[PCL_128]

Ever heard of a 'snapshop' when an acquisition is announced? That's exactly what I'm talking about. If you don't know what you contract was on the date of announcement, then maybe you need to review the facts.

The snapshot date deals with seniority lists, not with contracts. And even that date is usually up for debate.

 

[27 driver]

Snapshot. Get it? You whiners need to STFU. You are making the rest of your very cool pilot group look bad. Hope you're "safety" campaign goes swimmingly.

Pot meet kettle. No wonder SWA pilots have the reputation they have. You ****************************** bags need to stop acting better than everyone else. Once again for the challenged among us, PAY RATES. Pure and simple. Believe it or not the sun doesn't revolve around SWAPA pilots.

 

[redflyer65]

If the contract "snapshot" was was such a meaningful factor in the outcome of arbitration, then why the need for threats and ultimatums? AT would have likely done significantly better in arbitration and everyone but a few SW prima-donna types know that. Whatever dude.

Gary wanted the deal done, he got it done. I'm not going to defend his actions but I guess he got the results he wanted relatively quickly.

On your side of the fence, ALPA's only game plan was to run straight to arbitration. That was a horrible game plan.

I'm out.

 

[PCL_128]

On your side of the fence, ALPA's only game plan was to run straight to arbitration. That was a horrible game plan.

Well, that wasn't their game plan at all. But if it had been, it would have been a fine game plan, if the pilots weren't so scared of their own shadows.

 

[-9Capt]

Gary wanted the deal done, he got it done. I'm not going to defend his actions but I guess he got the results he wanted relatively quickly.

On your side of the fence, ALPA's only game plan was to run straight to arbitration. That was a horrible game plan.

I'm out.

So ALPA should have disregarded the will of its dues paying membership and capitulated to the demands of SWAPA and Gary Kelly?

Absent arbitration, the only option would have been accepting a less than favorable SLI. ALPA did what the majority of the membership was telling them to do. The first agreement was an insult and it was rightfully rejected by the MEC. For some reason GK feels he has a right to influence our union proceedings and was insulted when he didn't get his way. That was when he picked up a big stick. Screw him and his airline.

 

[PCL_128]

For some reason GK feels he has a right to influence our union proceedings and was insulted when he didn't get his way.

He wasn't offended. And he did get his way. The whole AIP1 fiasco was engineered from the start to lead to a failed vote. He knew that no pilot group in its right mind would accept that horrendous deal. So he threw a bunch of veiled threats at an inexperienced and gullible MC to get them to bring it back to the MEC who he knew would reject it. Then, he feigned offense and used that rejection as an excuse to take the money off the table that he never intended to pay anyway.

Gary is a genius. An evil genius, but a genius nonetheless.

 

[-9Capt]

well, that wasn't their game plan at all. But if it had been, it would have been a fine game plan, if the pilots weren't so scared of their own shadows.

a-m-e-n

 

[redflyer65]

He wasn't offended. And he did get his way. The whole AIP1 fiasco was engineered from the start to lead to a failed vote. He knew that no pilot group in its right mind would accept that horrendous deal. So he threw a bunch of veiled threats at an inexperienced and gullible MC to get them to bring it back to the MEC who he knew would reject it. Then, he feigned offense and used that rejection as an excuse to take the money off the table that he never intended to pay anyway.

Gary is a genius. An evil genius, but a genius nonetheless.

Somehow Gary was able to hypnotize your Merger Committee into playing along? The very committee that the MEC put together?


Completely manufactured? Wow. Queue the black helicopters PCL. I think you might be delusional.

 

[PCL_128]

Somehow Gary was able to hypnotize your Merger Committee into playing along? The very committee that the MEC put together?

Hypnotize? I wish it would have been that difficult to pull the wool over maxblast's eyes.

I think you might be delusional.

That's ok. We know you are.

 

[madjack]

Wow, u really believe your new boss cooked up SL9 just so the MEC would vote it down?

Anyway, if the evil genius is really motivated to do bad things to AAI pilots, then why not stay out of it, let the arbitrator decide how to integrate 1700 trannys that are bringing 50 airplanes to the deal....you have a job, be thankful...

 

[madjack]

"Gullible MC, scared membership" just because u wanted to gamble with your career, doesn't mean the MC or the membership wanted to...you said earlier you did not value a career at SWA, you had nothing to lose, and to malign everyone, especially your fellow "scared" pilots in public is a really showing your colors...

 

[PCL_128]

"Gullible MC, scared membership" just because u wanted to gamble with your career, doesn't mean the MC or the membership wanted to...you said earlier you did not value a career at SWA, you had nothing to lose, and to malign everyone, especially your fellow "scared" pilots in public is a really showing your colors...

I didn't, and still don't, consider it a "gamble."

 

[K-Mart]

Here's a question.....Why did Kelly want the SLI done so quickly?