SWA pool is starting to drain!!!

[Lonestar]

I don't want to be senior to you, I just don't want to give up what I have earned/worked for.



I "get it" . . . . . and somehow, we will all get through it, together.

Regards,
Ty

Ty, that's a very reasonable post. I get your concerns. Our concerns are that we don't want to give up what we have 'earned/worked for' either. I see two important points. 1) There are a number of SLI scenarios that, while fair in your view, WILL harm SWA pilots' career progression. 2) You and every AT pilot will receive far more than you have 'earned/worked for'.

 

[Whaler]

Is this still the "Pool is draining thread?" or am I in the wrong section...

 

[Lonestar]

So wait, you are saying that you guys AREN'T GOING TO INTEGRATE THE LISTS? Really? Can you do that with that Bond/Mac law in place? Hmmmm, I don't know about that.

Bye Bye---General Lee

Ding, ding, ding...we have a winner!

General, my understanding is that there is no requirement for SWA to integrate the AT pilots. IF Gary chooses to combine the operations, then yes Bond/McCaskill will be the law of the land. There is nothing, though, that can force Gary to combine the operations. Given the size of the 717 operation, there may be real cost savings in keeping the operations separate until the leases expire.

 

[Kharma Police]

Ding, ding, ding...we have a winner!

General, my understanding is that there is no requirement for SWA to integrate the AT pilots. IF Gary chooses to combine the operations, then yes Bond/McCaskill will be the law of the land. There is nothing, though, that can force Gary to combine the operations. Given the size of the 717 operation, there may be real cost savings in keeping the operations separate until the leases expire.

I never thought I'd see a pilot wishing for a whipsaw. You guys are off your rocker, talk about cutting your nose off to spite your face.

 

[Ty Webb]

Ding, ding, ding...we have a winner!

General, my understanding is that there is no requirement for SWA to integrate the AT pilots. IF Gary chooses to combine the operations, then yes Bond/McCaskill will be the law of the land. There is nothing, though, that can force Gary to combine the operations. Given the size of the 717 operation, there may be real cost savings in keeping the operations separate until the leases expire.

Lonestar, your scenario is just "wishful thinking" on your part.

Our Contract requires operations to be combined within 18 months. The language not only requires AirTran to notify a purchaser of this requirement, but to have them acknowledge it in writing. According to our union, that was done a long time ago, so SWA has agreed to combine operations, and they did it as SWA, the owner of GH.

Don't believe me? Call someone on your Merger Committee and have them confirm it, and then report back.

 

[Dash Power]

It is a shame that every thread now about SWA will be turned into the mental masturbation on seniority integration. When you have unaffected obsessive parties like General Lee engaging, this will only be destructive with absolutely no gain whatsoever.

I have decided to try and stay disengaged on these forums. (difficult I know) I can only hope that my fellow SWA pilots do the same. Take this energy to your union leaders and reps instead. I have and I am pleasantly surprised how much they know about the expectations involved. And the reality of this integration.

It does take some strength and maturity but I hope you find it best also to disengage.

 

[XRMEFLYER]

It is a shame that every thread now about SWA will be turned into the mental masturbation on seniority integration. When you have unaffected obsessive parties like General Lee engaging, this will only be destructive with absolutely no gain whatsoever.

I have decided to try and stay disengaged on these forums. (difficult I know) I can only hope that my fellow SWA pilots do the same. Take this energy to your union leaders and reps instead. I have and I am pleasantly surprised how much they know about the expectations involved. And the reality of this integration.

It does take some strength and maturity but I hope you find it best also to disengage.

Amen my future SWAPA brother!

Happy MLK day everybody!

 

[RedDogC130]

You will combine operations within 18 months....with guatelope holdings

Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk

 

[Ty Webb]

You will combine operations within 18 months....with guatelope holdings

RedDog, this language was written by ALPA lawyers, not some $99. Divorce/Bankruptcy/Quit Smoking guy in a strip mall. :laugh:

Our contract requires us to be merged with the operations of the owner of the holding company.That is why I was very specific. Here, I'll bold it for you, since you must have missed it:

According to our union, that was done a long time ago, so SWA has agreed to combine operations, and they did it as SWA, the owner of GH.

Don't believe me? Call someone on your Merger Committee and have them confirm it, and then report back.

 

[Kharma Police]

RedDog, this language was written by ALPA lawyers, not some $99. Divorce/Bankruptcy/Quit Smoking clown in a strip mall. :laugh:

Our contract requires us to be merged with the operations of the owner of the holding company.

That is why I was very specific. Here, I'll bold it for you, since you must have missed it:

According to our union, that was done a long time ago, so SWA has agreed to combine operations, and they did it as SWA, the owner of GH.

Don't believe me? Call someone on your Merger Committee and have them confirm it, and then report back.

My friend, reasoning with them is like trying to reason with a suicide bomber. They are so blinded by anger and spite over something out of their control that they are already wishing harm to their own pilot group and great company. Like I said before, they are off their rockers.

 

[Ty Webb]

Yep. You and XRME are right.

Although I once taught a pig to sing "A Thousand Miles from Nowhere" . . . . Of course, he was pretty drunk. Well, I guess we both were.

 

[MILF Hunter]

Lonestar, your scenario is just "wishful thinking" on your part.

Our Contract requires operations to be combined within 18 months. The language not only requires AirTran to notify a purchaser of this requirement, but to have them acknowledge it in writing. According to our union, that was done a long time ago, so SWA has agreed to combine operations, and they did it as SWA, the owner of GH.

Don't believe me? Call someone on your Merger Committee and have them confirm it, and then report back.

First, Gary WILL do what's in the best interest of the SWA shareholders. I realize that may or may not be what I or anyone else on here desires. IF Gary decides its in the best interest of SWA to keep the operations separate, he will. And the language of a new contract (negotiated post-acquisition announcement) will not prevent Gary from doing exactly as he wishes. If you disagree, then there's another arbitration which will surprise you.

Second, if Gary feels the need to change the structure of the acquisition, he will do so. This is a very fluid industry, and if it was in the best interest of SWA there could be changes.

Third, watch the "according to our union" stuff. I hear Linden has talked with Gary about the possibility of separate ops. Don't believe me? Check with Linden and report back.

 

[scoreboardII]

Ty, not to inflame but with keeping the tradition that this thread has drifted beyond recognition, just how is the word "merged" defined in your contract?

 

[Ty Webb]

IF Gary decides its in the best interest of SWA to keep the operations separate, he will. And the language of a new contract (negotiated post-acquisition announcement) will not prevent Gary from doing exactly as he wishes.

If you want to engage me on this stuff, do yourself a favor and contact your Merger Committee first. As I said in my post, SWA signed the acknowledgment of our contractual agreement to combine operations within 18 months.

Third, watch the "according to our union" stuff. I hear Linden has talked with Gary about the possibility of separate ops. Don't believe me? Check with Linden and report back.

This rumor (a month old, btw) was explicitly denied, in writing, by our Chairman and Vice Chairman. So, either they are lying, or you are. :laugh:

 

[ivauir]

My friend, reasoning with them is like trying to reason with a suicide bomber. They are so blinded by anger and spite over something out of their control that they are already wishing harm to their own pilot group and great company. Like I said before, they are off their rockers.

Wrong.

What I AM getting angry about is the same three posters from AAI turning every thread into a justification for an egregious SLI.

This thread is NOT about AAI, give it a rest.

 

[Kharma Police]

Wrong.

What I AM getting angry about is the same three posters from AAI turning every thread into a justification for an egregious SLI.

This thread is NOT about AAI, give it a rest.

What part of, "it's out of our control" do you not understand? If an arbitrator decides to staple every single AirTran pilot, then I have to accept his decision. Consequently, if an arbitrator decides to give us what you deem is unfair and unreasonable, then you have to live with that decision. All this shiz about hiring minimums and how many people left AirTran or what our Union President said or didn't say serves absolutely no purpose. Accept the fact that you have no control and move forward.

 

[General Lee]

Wrong.

What I AM getting angry about is the same three posters from AAI turning every thread into a justification for an egregious SLI.

This thread is NOT about AAI, give it a rest.

You need to quit trying to MANAGE THEIR EXPECTATIONS. You have ZERO say in what will happen. What if ATL turns into SWA's most profitable hub after the merger? What if the DCA slots turn a huge profit to MDW? Your definition of "egregious" may be "appropriate" by someone other than you who WILL make the decision---the arbitrator(s). Just because YOU don't think it is fair, doesn't mean it isn't. Someone else will decide that.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Hose A. Jiminez]

I never thought I'd see a pilot wishing for a whipsaw. You guys are off your rocker, talk about cutting your nose off to spite your face.

KP,
3.61 to 1 SWAPA required growth during any separate operations contractual per transition agreement.

Ty,

we are aware of the 18 month requirement in your contract. Doesnt mean our operations will be "prepared" to integrate in 18 months. Or 24 months. Or 36 months.

HEY!!! I KNOW!!! You guys could pool all your excess cash from your pay raises and take the hand that is feeding you (SWA not SWAPA) to court!!!

I bet Brian "The Strong Arm" Loncar, and maybe Jim Adler "The Texas Hammer" would make an excellent legal team. They specialize in personal injury, and that is obviously what this is.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

You need to quit trying to MANAGE THEIR EXPECTATIONS. You have ZERO say in what will happen. What if ATL turns into SWA's most profitable hub after the merger? What if the DCA slots turn a huge profit to MDW? Your definition of "egregious" may be "appropriate" by someone other than you who WILL make the decision---the arbitrator(s). Just because YOU don't think it is fair, doesn't mean it isn't. Someone else will decide that.


Bye Bye---General Lee

They can't stop.
A lot of sw's junior folks paid good money to get on the swa list. Pretty easy when all you have to do is show up with your checkbook in hand.
Now, these same folks that paid good money to get their dream job are about to slide down the swa seniority list by AAI folks that DIDN'T have to buy their job at swa.

 

[RedDogC130]

Are the airtran people going to go on strike if it takes longer than 18 mths?

Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk