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"I posted something sensible. Then I remembered where I was."

No you did not, its a thinly veiled slam, you are completely FOS if u are telling me that :

a) you do not use the tiller when lining up the aircraft for T/O

b) you wouldn't us it if you were heading for the grass with a rudder hardover...

Give me a break...but I guess you fancy yourself as a real airline pilot...
 
Dan,

Get over yourself, we are not flying PanAm clippers across the pacific...you missed those days, this is easy flying, even to do well...if you have to work extra maybe you should go back to training and get some practice sims...EVERY freeking landing is to a stationary runway at least 4700 feet long...we are taking off, cruising and landing in one of the most forgiving airframes ever designed...Yes, CRM and basic emotional intelligence is a nice benny, but as you wish to judge someone based on postings on an anonymous forum, me thinks you could use a little more open mindedness...
 
Please Ty, put me back on your ignore list...

OBTW just read on the prune that SWA FOs can now shoot approaches down to 1800-1/2, some good coming out of the SWA/AAI group think, maybe the SNA restriction will also be lifted...
 
Ty Webb said:
Hey, Wave, that summary of the Tower Air accident was interesting; hadn't seen that before. I thought the recommendation to abort a takeoff on a slippery runway "when half-travel inputs aren't adequate" to be worth remembering.
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Yeah I agree man- I hadn't read that one before
 
Dan Roman said:
Wave, the only SWA bashing I've done has concerned the well documented arrogance displayed in some of the merger strings. Oh and of course the warrior spirit thing is too easy to pass up on!
I maintain we all live in glass houses, so any attitude of superiority by anyone deserves a good bashing IMHO.
I consider SWA is just as good an airline as DAL, HAL or anyone else, but the reality is, we all are lucky enough to fly airplanes for a living (assuming we enjoy it) but letting the airline you fly for define you and using it as any kind of measuring stick in your life is pretty silly.
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You have to understand Dan- it's arrogant to think you're anywhere as good as us.







;)
 
madjack said:
"I posted something sensible. Then I remembered where I was."

No you did not, its a thinly veiled slam, you are completely FOS if u are telling me that :
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Did you read it ? It included an admission of fault on my part for combining a tech discussion with giving you a hard time. You're obviously more sensitive than I thought.

madjack said:
a) you do not use the tiller when lining up the aircraft for T/O
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That's called taxiing. It's not part of the takeoff.

madjack said:
b) you wouldn't us it if you were heading for the grass with a rudder hardover...

Give me a break...but I guess you fancy yourself as a real airline pilot...
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Rudder hardcover ? On the runway ? You're apparently trapped in 2008 and grasping at straws to justify your tiller fetish. No rudder hardcover occurred anywhere near a runway. An AD was issued in 2002.

Somebody needs to duct tape your left hand to your balls prior to every takeoff


http://www1.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAD.nsf/0/2a3f5faba444a8086256c4b005a2884/$FILE/022007.pdf
 
I think Dicko got your goat MJ. There is an AT instructor who's favorite thing to do is fail an engine at the beginning of the TO roll at max power (short runway like SNA). The point of the exercise is to demonstrate that rudder only inputs will get you into the grass faster than you think it will. Obviously at some point/airspeed tiller inputs are too sensitive. Your tangents made for good reading though!
 
madjack said:
Please Ty, put me back on your ignore list...

OBTW just read on the prune that SWA FOs can now shoot approaches down to 1800-1/2, some good coming out of the SWA/AAI group think, maybe the SNA restriction will also be lifted...
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Do you mean that prior to this time, a SWA FO wasn't permitted to fly a CAT 1 ILS to minima ?
 
Rumor has it there was a MAJOR Catfight in the "cock"pit prior to landing- any confirmation? Too much progesterone. Why else would there be a transfer of controls at 500 agl ?
 
madjack said:
Please Ty, put me back on your ignore list...

OBTW just read on the prune that SWA FOs can now shoot approaches down to 1800-1/2, some good coming out of the SWA/AAI group think, maybe the SNA restriction will also be lifted...
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TWA FOs were qualified and normally flew the Cat 3 ILS approaches.
 
scoreboardII said:
Next thing you know they'll be allowed to start engines.
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The decision to let FOs start the engines at SWA has been a major disappointment to me - I was looking forward to some quality window licking as the Captain busied himself with this complex procedure.

Bummed.
 
Latest: PF does the through flight (clnce, atis, OPC, FMC loading etc...) regardless of seat position...a pprune rumor...
 
madjack said:
If you guys would just read what I said...The tiller is located on the CPs side, it is there for taxiing and yes I use it for some initial directional control on T/O, duh, never on landing, but if I ever find myself heading for the dirt, why wouldn't I use it to assist the rudder to stay on the pavement (an unlikely event calls for exceptional correction) the HUD is on the CPs side, these are tools not available to the FO...I have landed planes on ships day and night, I don't give a rats ass what you guys think of my flying skills, never had an incident in 30 years of flying...pile on if it meets your personal agenda, (hey I was a pissed off FO too, for far longer than anyone on this forum), but get over yourselves, this is easy flying that the weak pilots want to complicate...the frikken 737 flies itself...
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Like using the HUD for a VFR takeoff or a method of your own that you think (wrongly BTW!) makes for a safer t/o?
 
madjack said:
Latest: PF does the through flight (clnce, atis, OPC, FMC loading etc...) regardless of seat position...a pprune rumor...
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Sounds like how we did it long ago on the DC-9: PF took care of the "inside" stuff, PNF did the walkaround. That usually left enough time to grab a snack. :)
 
I watched many SWA CPs (including Check airman) keep their hand on the tiller until APPROACHING 60 knots on the T/O roll then transition the LH to the yoke....On landing I was told on UOE to keep a hand on the Tiller and S/B lever during the FO's landing...Hey I did not make these techniques up...As far as using the HUD on a VFR T/O, how is that dangerous?? You can see through the HUD and it does provide some protection...I certainly don't use it on MOST T/O's unless I am getting close to going to training, I should use it more...

I am an average pilot and willing to learn from my esteemed colleagues on FI, are these bad techniques??
 
I think the Continental 737 in Denver that went off runway a few years ago the captain was on the tiller during the takeoff roll. I have always used the rudder pedals when on the runway, as that's how they trained me. I was simply told not to use the tiller on the roll,,,so that's what I do.
 
UALX727 said:
I think the Continental 737 in Denver that went off runway a few years ago the captain was on the tiller during the takeoff roll. I have always used the rudder pedals when on the runway, as that's how they trained me. I was simply told not to use the tiller on the roll,,,so that's what I do.
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Yup. If the rudder and nosewheel steering together (through the pedals) aren't getting it done, grabbing the tiller is almost guaranteed to make it worse, not better.
 
madjack said:
I watched many SWA CPs (including Check airman) keep their hand on the tiller until APPROACHING 60 knots on the T/O roll then transition the LH to the yoke...
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Yes, but there is a big difference between guarding the tiller in case one engine lets go at low speed (before the rudder is effective) and using the tiller on T/O.
 

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