SWA/AAI and the flight deck jumpseat

[canyonblue]

If you really feel that DOH is completely out of the question then it goes to arbitration.

So according to your point of view, DOH is a worst case scenario. I'll just refrain from any SLI talk, and keep it at that.

 

[ASADFW7]

A shot at relative? Really, no chance, read Mike Van De Ven's statement no harm to any SWA pilot.

 

[scoreboardII]

I could forsee you being wrong on the relative-ish outcome, As long as pay protection schemes are employed. Guarantee pay protection for all SWA guys and you could place the 1700 new hires below Jim Rice for all I care.

 

[Ty Webb]

I really don't think the operations would be merged if that scenerio plays out. Way too many pissed of pilots to make things work like they do at SW.

Ha.

AAI pilots were thoroughly pissed, with good reason, from 2007-2010. Look at the performance numbers. You'd never know it.

 

[Crash Pad]

So according to your point of view, DOH is a worst case scenario. I'll just refrain from any SLI talk, and keep it at that.

Of course you will. You guys come on here and talk smack. I have only read one person on your side who pitched an idea. I'm guessing you don't know what you want but it better be better than DOH, not relative, etc...

Sack up at least I tossed out an idea. This message board is the only chance we have to speak openly with eachother. The idea of us speaking openly is so scary that our union forbids it.

So please, by all means, tell us what you are thinking.

DOH is not my worst case. I tried to think of what you guys are so upset about. I understand that you didn't want GK to buy us. I understand that you haven't had upgrades in a long time. I understand that your contract is the howitzer to our sling shot. I understand you have culture.

So I think to myself... "what do you give the person who has everything?" I came up with Captain slots via DOH. I see you want more... well I don't know how to tell you this... it's all we got.

 

[Crash Pad]

A shot at relative? Really, no chance, read Mike Van De Ven's statement no harm to any SWA pilot.

Read closer. I think if you go to arbitration with an unreasonable position the arbitrator will take our proposal. So if you go crazy train we only have to seem slightly more reasonable.

 

[dicko]

A shot at relative? Really, no chance, read Mike Van De Ven's statement no harm to any SWA pilot.

Define "harm" ?

 

[ASADFW7]

The SWAPA NC is not on the crazy train, though I am sure they are Ozzy fans, some of them are too young to appreciate him other than the stint on MTV. Flightinfo is more of a crazy train. Are you sure the AAI guys are presenting relative? I need new glasses, I am an old fart, I cannot read closer till they arrive.

 

[ASADFW7]

Harm? The average SWA pilot prior to the pay increase last fall. 88 hours pay

new hire age
30 $6,655,968 career pay
35 $5,568,288
40 $4,480,608
45 $3,392,928

The average Airtran pilot before the amendment of the last contract.

30 $4,995,936
35 $4,188,096
40 $3,380,256
45 $2,572,416


You can adjust the numbers for AAI as you like but harm, in this example of wages only, would be a lower total income number for SWA pilots based upon integration of the AAI pilot group. Where as delayed upgrade for AAI would be offset and then some by the SWA contract and benefits increase. Is that clear enough? Just one example.

 

[greenpilot]

How about go with relative, but fence off the upgrades for the next 5 years. SWA FO get their capt seat and Airtran FO's get good schedules.

 

[texman]

Swa guys do not talk about sli. This battle ain't over.

 

[ATLplt]

Swa guys do not talk about sli. This battle ain't over.

You called it a battle. I see you've truly embraced the "warrior spirt".

Since we're not suppose to talk about SLI scenarios, (and I'm hungry), I propose a subject change: Hot dogs on the grill...

Should I go Chicago style with the peppers and such, straight up spicy, chilli dogs, or take it south of the border with salsa dogs? I'm indecisive, discuss...

 

[Cruncher]

Chicago style! Doing the same as I type!

Nice rudder steer.

 

[slaquer5]

You called it a battle. I see you've truly embraced the "warrior spirt".

Since we're not suppose to talk about SLI scenarios, (and I'm hungry), I propose a subject change: Hot dogs on the grill...

Should I go Chicago style with the peppers and such, straight up spicy, chilli dogs, or take it south of the border with salsa dogs? I'm indecisive, discuss...

I am thinking burgers and just ordered a pizza. Already had some beer, but thinking more would be nice

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Lying in bed with a stomach virus. Just thinking about food is making my head spin.