Strike Vote Called For at NetJets

[Cpt Splash]

Just curious. Who made the statement that NJA pilots were the "most experienced and best trained pilots in the world"? And how does one get that distinction overnight? But seriously guys, good luck in July. It is going be real interesting to see how this pans out.


Quick question. I have been talking to some NJA pilots on the road and they seem to think that they will be unionizing the whole fractional industry. Is this truly the mentality? If so, that is going to be a real hard sell to CS and FJ.

Safe Flying

 

[El Chupacabra]

Easy there on the C-441 jokes Big Fella.

I'd take a good 441 or MU-2 driver and have him doing touch and goes at in a X within a month.

If he is that good why would he come here? LOL a big problem when all the pilots are fired is all the IPs are fired too.

 

[netjetwife]

The company makes those claims in their advertising, so consider the source.

Extending union representation is perhaps a long range goal, but the NJ pilots cannot afford to be side-tracked from working on their contract. Raising their wages will raise the bar for the fractional industry, so first things first, is what you will find the leadership saying, I believe.

 

[Lrjet55]

Without loosing focus on our primary goal of securing a contract that will make NJA a career location we are spending some time and effort in the hopes of unionizing FLOPS.

There are a few problems, however, and the most simple is the fact that we havent achieved the ultimate goal although pilots at Flight Options are learning the hard way the downside to not having a union. Losing 2 tier airports, crew meals coming out of per diem and some others are issues that a union could prevent.

There comes a time in the life span of a large pilot group where a union becomes a necessary evil. A union at its most basic level provides safety. The company wants efficiency, the pilot group wants safety. Often the pilot group will lose without some sort of representation.

If unionization of Flight Options does come to pass then we will see much needed standardization within the industry.

I encourage any and all Flight Options pilots to vote in favor of a union but understandably many will not until the NJA pilot group gives them a significant reason to do so.

 

[netjetwife]

Lrjet55, thanks for the reminder of that on-going effort. I should have mentioned it in my own post, and given credit to those involved. I guess I was thinking of companies where no attempt has been made to organize the pilots. Clearly, the NJ pilots will do what they can to encourage those who have begun the first steps toward solidarity. Industry wide standards would be a good thing for all of the pilots and their families.

 

[Ace-of-the-Base]

Omni Omni VOR. I have always believed there are always paybacks. I much rather be you than anyone who who crossed the line.... I rather fly non-sched from Willow.

A few years ago I took a jumpseat on Continental. The Captain welcomed me into the cockpit. He introduced himself. I am Frank, he said. Oh this is Bill... he's a S....

Not how I would have liked to complete a career at a major.

So yes I rather be you... then Bill.

Again WOW. I am amazed that adult professionals would be so concerned with what others think. This sounds like high school. "cross this line and I'll kick your ass". I got in alot of fights. I always took that challenge. The fact that you would rather have a sh$t job than have some dork pilots not talk to you for something you did in '83, wow.

The only reason I would ever NOT cross a picket line, is if I believed in the cause. Otherwise, any union could strike for any reason (right or wrong) and I would blindly follow. Brings us right back to your first post. Kinda' sounds like blind faith.

But yes, you are right. It's not directly my fight, don't work for NetJets, never been in a union, etc. But really, don't be so insecure and don't worry so much about what others think (except your loved ones).

Ace

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Good question. The line will still be there.

I actually believe that is exactly the plan. When we strike everybody will be fired. We are prepared.

How long will it take to train and relese to the line 2100 pilots?

Good morning Mr Owner. I am Capt Jim. I just got my Citation X type rating yesterday. This is great. A few weeks ago the biggest plane I have ever flown before was a Cessna 441. I am not too sure how all these buttons work on the FMS. We're going green needles today.

...and what was NetJets pulling in before the strike? experienced pilots? try flight instructors with a little padded charter or freight time....who else would work for those wages? an experienced corporate pilot? hardly....maybe someone sick of a regional but thats about it.

shiiit buddy, ....a 441 pilot wouldnt come work for your 24K/yr!!!! he/she probably makes 2X that on his 441!

 

[Diesel]

awww man here come the corporate pilots chiming in explaining to us how the world is.

STMFD.

 

[noturgearb!tch]

Hey, El Chupacabra

If I fly my a/c, for my owners, on my 135cert., operating under my op. specs. you will call me a Scab.

well I believe as do many attorneys, that you statement is "Slanderous and Malicious, Causing Undue Stress and Mental Anguish."

SCAB a : a contemptible person b (YOU) (1) : a worker who refuses to join a labor union (2) : a union member who refuses to strike or returns to work before a strike has ended (3) : a worker who accepts employment or replaces a union worker during a strike.

Last time I checked I have not interviewed with NJA, I am employed, happily I might add. I aint taking you job. I am just doing MINE.

Chew on that, toast me, and start walking.

P.S. LAST OWNER I WORKED FOR, SOLD THE A/C AND BOUGHT A SHARE. AND PUT ME OUT ON THE STREET.

YOU MY MAN ARE MY SCAB.

 

[h25b]

Hey, El Chupacabra

If I fly my a/c, for my owners, on my 135cert., operating under my op. specs. you will call me a Scab.

well I believe as do many attorneys, that you statement is "Slanderous and Malicious, Causing Undue Stress and Mental Anguish."

SCAB a : a contemptible person b (YOU) (1) : a worker who refuses to join a labor union (2) : a union member who refuses to strike or returns to work before a strike has ended (3) : a worker who accepts employment or replaces a union worker during a strike.

Last time I checked I have not interviewed with NJA, I am employed, happily I might add. I aint taking you job. I am just doing MINE.

Chew on that, toast me, and start walking.

P.S. LAST OWNER I WORKED FOR, SOLD THE A/C AND BOUGHT A SHARE. AND PUT ME OUT ON THE STREET.

YOU MY MAN ARE MY SCAB.

They seem to all be backing away from their previous SCAB making threats for the sell-offs...

 

[johnny taliban]

shiiit buddy, ....a 441 pilot wouldnt come work for your 24K/yr!!!! he/she probably makes 2X that on his 441!

Now that is funny! Seriously,I would love to meet the tool that crosses that picket line for those wages.

LMAO ,
Johnny

 

[netjetwife]

So true! It's not worth the risk that the NJ pilots are right and those who fly "struck work" will wind up wearing a scarlet letter that they can never shake. Far better to be sick that day. It'd be so much better if all of the pilots could stand together and present a united front that would bring a successful resolution that has the potential to raise wages across the industry. What if the srtike ended very quickly? Would it have been worth it to cross the line? I think not.

I feel badly for ALL underpaid pilots and believe that corrections need to be made. As always, someone has to lead the way. Please consider lending support to a cause that is bound to raise the bar for pilots outside of NJA, as well.

 

[FracCapt]

So true! It's not worth the risk that the NJ pilots are right and those who fly "struck work" will wind up wearing a scarlet letter that they can never shake. Far better to be sick that day.

If, by this, you are saying that all pilots that are doing charter sell off flights in the even of a strike should just call in sick and/or refuse to do the flights....you're way out of touch with reality.

I don't think that anybody that works for THEIR charter company, doing 135 sell off trips that just happen to be paid for by Netjets, is in any way a scab. If they fly NJA aircraft, then YES - they ARE a scab.

Those charter pilots don't have a dog in this fight, and quite honestly, I don't think half of them would have a clue that NJA pilots were on strike. Don't even try to perpetuate the lame threat that all pilots that fly any NJA charter trips are scabs.

 

[netjetwife]

I put the words "struck work" in quotation marks to let you know it is something I've been told. I've also heard that the charter pilots DO know when they're flying a NJ job. The idea of calling in sick came from my husband. I can see how the idea of winding up a scab would be a sickening thought. He would never cross a line and there are, doubtless, many other pilots out there who would refuse to as well. I am not trying to perpetuate anything. I'm merely asking pilots to lend their support to a worthy cause, and expressing an opinion that it wouldn't be a risk worth taking, IMHO.

 

[h25b]

I put the words "struck work" in quotation marks to let you know it is something I've been told. I've also heard that the charter pilots DO know when they're flying a NJ job. The idea of calling in sick came from my husband. I can see how the idea of winding up a scab would be a sickening thought. He would never cross a line and there are, doubtless, many other pilots out there who would refuse to as well. I am not trying to perpetuate anything. I'm merely asking pilots to lend their support to a worthy cause, and expressing an opinion that it wouldn't be a risk worth taking, IMHO.

This is where you are quickly eroding whatever outsite support you might have. NOONE outside of the fractional industry will EVER support your efforts if you continue with that ridiculous SCAB threat BS (which is exactly what it is). This talk has turned me from first truely supporting your efforts to now frankly not giving a s^&t if you ever get a raise...

As for the calling in sick for a NetJets sell-off trip ... This really shows me that your husband (to which I am greatful for his military service) doesn't have a clue about how life outside a fractional is. Geez, your ignorance is astounding lady.

Remember... It's always better to keep your mouth shut and let everyone think you're ignorant than to open your mouth and remove all doubt... This is clearly the case here. Next time your husband gets a bright idea like this one, keep it to yourself to save yourself the embarassment.