Strike Vote Called For at NetJets

[I-R-DXR]

Rumor mill says the latest offer was six figures after 5 years as a Cpt.

is that true?

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[Grizz]

Here's the rest of the story -

1- 50 % of the pilots would be on a 6 on 4 off schedule, and this schedule is the only one we find anyone making near 105K. A 6 and 4 schedule works out to 219 days a year. 6 and 6 schedule pilots would be about $86K, with all the following costs as well.
2- You will buy your Health Insurance out of the salary.
3- No hourly Overtime, insuring as many 14 hour days as possible
4- Any extended days you elect will be paid at a daily rate and not time and a half

 

[Sun Tzu]

I-R-DXR I appreciate your company stance, you have no reason not to feel the way you do. Bottom line is, you and I have no say on what the company brings to the table. Further more, you have no vote on the CBA, which leaves you on the sidelines. A strike is not what I came here for and I hope it doesnt happen. I am willing to take it that far to see if RTS and BB have the resolve. If they do, I will find something different and feel good about myself.

As far as the 6 figures at year 5, look into the details and you will find that it's just smoke and mirrors and is just a company propaganda piece. If you subtracted all your benefits from your current salary how much would you have left????

We have no choice but to fight for what we are worth as professionals. This has gone on too long to bend over now and take it! I for one, will not!

 

[dsptchrnja]

probably not the best joke right now.

Things are going to be interesting for the next couple of weeks/months.

My serious comments were in the Looking for advice.... thread.

But if you want to get serious about the bargaining discussion, what's up with the Chairman of the MEC balking at the companies presentation and leaving the room!?!? What's up with him refusing (again) to have the companies finances reviewed by an independent third party? What's up with refusing significant increases in SIC pay and 6 figures for 5 yr captains?

It's not about a new contract anymore, is it? It's about vengence. Gonna make the company pay now, huh? You don't appear to want a better contract anymore. You actually WANT to strike?

Let's see, more money and I still get to fly my jet around when I'm not on my days off.... or... let's see.. no pay, no benefits, probationary record, jeapordize my family and work associates, and I get to carry a sign around telling people it's not fair.

Tough choice guys... you might need to think this one over.

 

[Grizz]

Bad numbers - see my post below in the thread.

 

[I-R-DXR]

Here's the rest of the story -

1- 50 % of the pilots would be on a 6 on 4 off schedule, and this schedule is the only one we find anyone making near 105K. A 6 and 4 schedule works out to 219 days a year. 6 and 6 schedule pilots would be about $86K, with all the following costs as well.
2- You will buy your Health Insurance out of the salary.
3- No hourly Overtime, insuring as many 14 hour days as possible
4- Any extended days you elect will be paid at a daily rate and not time and a half

Do you "buy" your benefits now? (I honestly dont know)

The Union and Company negotiate a new contact. Give a little get a little. You want more pay you give up some. Sounds fair right? Im thinking dsptchrNJA was right

It's not about a new contract anymore, is it? It's about vengence. Gonna make the company pay now, huh? You don't appear to want a better contract anymore. You actually WANT to strike?

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[Grizz]

I'm just amazed that two "dispatchers" have all this info from negotiations that concluded 4 hours ago in LA. This should be the most telling thing to guys on the sidelines. Pretty well connected for guys that are paid to prepare flight plans...

 

[dsptchrnja]

I'm just amazed that two "dispatchers" have all this info from negotiations that concluded 4 hours ago in LA. This should be the most telling thing to guys on the sidelines. Pretty well connected for guys that are paid to prepare flight plans...

LOL - you don't see me complaining about my pay - LOL

j/k

All I had to do was read about it like everyone else. Not sure you have a valid point. Is that the real issue?

 

[I-R-DXR]

nevermind - not worth it.

 

[dsptchrnja]

A 5th year Captain in 1998 earned $5082 a month before overtime. If we did nothing but apply a COLA equal to the percentage increases in the monthly management fees charged to owners, a 5th year Captain would be making $96,743 now.....

That puts him in the 1% wealthiest people in the world bracket. How's that for comparison?

 

[Grizz]

You base the increase in salary on percentage increase in MM fee? That math just doesnt sound right.

The yearly increase in monthly management fees is there to cover increased costs. The increased costs include a COLA adjustment for pilot salaries. NetJets hasn't passed those on to us since 1998 but we know what they are and are factoring them into the equation. It sounds right to everyone except a company toady.

 

[ozpilot]

I'm just amazed that two "dispatchers" have all this info from negotiations that concluded 4 hours ago in LA. This should be the most telling thing to guys on the sidelines. Pretty well connected for guys that are paid to prepare flight plans...

Well said Grizz - rule #1 of warfare - know your enemy ...

 

[MalteseX]

Agree with Grizz

I'm just amazed that two "dispatchers" have all this info from negotiations that concluded 4 hours ago in LA. This should be the most telling thing to guys on the sidelines. Pretty well connected for guys that are paid to prepare flight plans...

I agree.... I was thinking the same thing before Grizz posted the above. In reading these posts from the sidelines, I was amazed that I'm finding the most info on near real-time pilot-union management negotitations from Netjets' dispatchers. Additionally, there seems to be quite a bit of emotion from those who aren't directly involved.

Maybe the info is floating around somewhere, but I haven't been able to find it.

 

[dsptchrnja]

The yearly increase in monthly management fees is there to cover increased costs. The increased costs include a COLA adjustment for pilot salaries. NetJets hasn't passed those on to us since 1998 but we know what they are and are factoring them into the equation. It sounds right to everyone except a company toady.

Are you suggesting the yearly increase in MM fees will cover what you are asking?

No COLA since 98? What do you call 10% raise each year if it does not cover COLA.

 

[dsptchrnja]

I agree....
Maybe the info is floating around somewhere, but I haven't been able to find it.

If you were a NetJets employee, you would know where to look.