Strike Vote Called For at NetJets

[El Chupacabra]

if a strike does happen, i'm about 90% sure the company is not going to budge.

and i'm also pretty sure you guys may lose your jobs...

if that does happen, and you're out on the street, would you regret it?

what would you do???


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It sure does seem they want us to Strike.
What would I do? Fly for somebody else.

 

[IFlyOU]

sorry guys, very very doubtful the company will budge.

if you go on strike, and if the company cans you, don't think that makes you eligible for unemployment.

i would beg everyone to reconsider... but it'll just fall on deaf ears.

best of luck to you all... flame on

 

[Bad Monkey!]

Now I know you are a management puke!

insert middle finger here-

 

[IFlyOU]

q: am i management?
a: no, i'm on the other end of the company triange, w/ salary less than almost all the crewmembers

q: why won't the union allow a 3rd party investigation of other fractional companies?
a: because the union wants us to look at the 3 or 4 airplane companies, not flex jet, CS, or FlightOptions. sure we can give you the same pay as the small time companies, but doing so would mean the owners would pretty much own you as well.

q: so why don't NJA, FJ, CS, and FO crewmembers make as much as the small time guys?
a: simple: because a very small handfull of people in their "casino" handle catering, travel, IFP, owner services, crew services, helpdesk and technology, schedule planning, crew planning, MX control, pager support, quality control, people department, cheif pilots (never ACP's), security, and of course, scheduling... not a couple thousand... most of these departments are rolled into 2 or 3 people. the more complex the operations get, the more people you need to have, while at the same time providing a competitive and attractive price to the owner.

q: besides management, who makes the most money at NJA?
a: helpdesk... by far

i wish it was different, but the larger the fractional company gets, the more walmart-like it becomes... seems to be the general trend anyway

edit: before you flame me, please see words depicted in bold... thx

 

[kilroy]

I hate to see anyone strike especially a fellow pilot but some one has to set an example and raise the bar for what they deserve professional salaries for professionals. We all bust our a$$es and spend to much money on getting were we are today.We can'taccept Mcdonalds wages for a profession that puts peoples lives and well being in our hands on a daily basis. They wouldn't like to think there doctor is making the same as the guy making fries when he's/she is on relying on medical treatment that might affect there life. Good luck guys I wish you the best.

 

[pilotyip]

Crossing picket line does not have to mean the death of a career

Crossing picket line does not have to mean the death of a career. There are exceptions, look at the CAL guys from 1983. Yes they may be refereed to a scabs, but they had a complete career as a major airline pilot, pay, benefits, and retirement. As stated above this is new strike territory, the outcome is not known. I elected not cross that line in 1983, because my ALPA buddies in my reserve outfit told me if I did that I would branded a scab and end up working for some non-sked at Willow Run. Here I am at YIP, and the guys who crossed had a great career.

 

[BlackPilot628]

Good Luck to you NetJets guys! You deserve everything your asking for!

 

[pilotyip]

Yes the pilots may deserve it, but that is not the question. BH has a target rate of return, if the company can not produce that rate of return, Bh does not need that company. Like I said before this is uncharted waters and no one knows where the sand bars are.

 

[El Chupacabra]

Pay attention.

There is currently a boom in business aviation. There are jobs for pilots typed with thousands of hours in the most popular business jets on the market.

I fly for MONEY not because I like to. This is not a hobby.

Those 1983 linecrossers will burn in Hell when they die. You will be going to Heaven.

 

[pilotyip]

Oh! I feel so good I have been blessed by an A-4, late model at that

 

[Ace-of-the-Base]

Church and State and NetJets

Those 1983 linecrossers will burn in Hell when they die. You will be going to Heaven.

WOW, you actually want to bring God and Heaven into this? It's just a f'ing labor dispute!!! You actually think GOD is concerned with Unions??? You think that is a factor in whether you go to Heaven or Hell???

What an idiot!

Ace

 

[h25b]

Pay attention.

There is currently a boom in business aviation. There are jobs for pilots typed with thousands of hours in the most popular business jets on the market.

I fly for MONEY not because I like to. This is not a hobby.

Those 1983 linecrossers will burn in Hell when they die. You will be going to Heaven.

Exactly the mentality I'll never understand ...

It's usually the ones that scream outloud, "I could go somewhere else and do the same thing for more money" that stick around whining.

You're claiming that you fly for MONEY while spending your time sticking with NetJets during a "boom in business aviation" and while there's jobs "for pilots typed with thousands of hours in the most popular business jets on the market." Huh ???

A hobby is an activity in which a person participates to occupy one's mind or for some type of enjoyment with no financial reward. If you're truely standing on the sidelines during this supposed "boom" you're treating your career like a hobby.

As for SCABs burning in hell ... Give me a small break please ... Go run that type of logic passed some of these "owners" of yours, see if it gets you that raise (I'll bet they're big union supporters ). Truth is people like you wouldn't last 1 week in a typical Fortune 500 flight department whose wages you desperately seek, which is why you're here da*mning the rest of the world to "hell" ...

 

[El Chupacabra]

Nobody assigned the "Rest of the World" to hell. Only the line crossers.

This does not involve you. Thanks for your opinions, you may continue to offer them, however just so you know... I am not particularly interested in them.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Pay attention.

There is currently a boom in business aviation. There are jobs for pilots typed with thousands of hours in the most popular business jets on the market.

I fly for MONEY not because I like to. This is not a hobby.

Those 1983 linecrossers will burn in Hell when they die. You will be going to Heaven.

You fly for money? and your a NETJETS pilot?? hows that work?

You been filling jobs for 1/3 the expected wage for years....

hope nobody does that behind you during the "strike" ....that would be just terrible wouldn't it? putting someone out of work by flying for less money....

good luck.

 

[h25b]

Nobody assigned the "Rest of the World" to hell. Only the line crossers.

O.K. dude, thanks for clarifying... You make so much more sense now ...

I am not particularly interested in them.

That certainly cuts both ways pal ...

You fly for money? and your a NETJETS pilot?? hows that work?

You been filling jobs for 1/3 the expected wage for years....

hope nobody does that behind you during the "strike" ....that would be just terrible wouldn't it? putting someone out of work by flying for less money....

good luck.

LMAO ...

 

[El Chupacabra]

Good one G 200,

The sarcasm only goes to show that the Strike is justified.

see ya.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Good one G 200,

The sarcasm only goes to show that the Strike is justified.

see ya.

yup. I agree with ya.

But it should have been done by nobody taking the job.

But....now...nobody is taking anything away from you, you already demonstrated what you are worth to a corporation - they have "the most experienced and best trained pilots in the world" --FOR 33% the PRICE!!- what a farkin bargain guys! no wonder Warren is rich..

They may come back and give you a 5-8% raise like everywhere else in the world...but why would they double your salary? This is not airline management you are dealing with - this is a profitable top company..how did they get that way?

Everyone would love to see you triple you salary, its just your arguement is non-existent (read some NJwife posts...wow) and I just cant see how a strike is going to be beneficial to the whole...

but either way, really, good luck.

 

[El Chupacabra]

Oh! I feel so good I have been blessed by an A-4, late model at that

Omni Omni VOR. I have always believed there are always paybacks. I much rather be you than anyone who who crossed the line.... I rather fly non-sched from Willow.

A few years ago I took a jumpseat on Continental. The Captain welcomed me into the cockpit. He introduced himself. I am Frank, he said. Oh this is Bill... he's a S....

Not how I would have liked to complete a career at a major.

So yes I rather be you... then Bill.

 

[casino wife]

Not real sure on this whole union/strike thing works, but doesn't the company have the option of firing everyone if they strike? If all of the pilots are fired, then there is no picket line to cross.

How can they be labeled scabs if they are now accepting a "non-union" job you no longer have?

 

[El Chupacabra]

Good question. The line will still be there.

I actually believe that is exactly the plan. When we strike everybody will be fired. We are prepared.

How long will it take to train and relese to the line 2100 pilots?

Good morning Mr Owner. I am Capt Jim. I just got my Citation X type rating yesterday. This is great. A few weeks ago the biggest plane I have ever flown before was a Cessna 441. I am not too sure how all these buttons work on the FMS. We're going green needles today.