Strike Vote Called For at NetJets

[NJACrewservicer]

El Chupacabra, you act like you actually want to strike. Let me guess..... You have already used your miles to get tickets to Hawaii the first week in July and you don't want to use any vacation days to get there?

LMAO

 

[x402]

You have already used your miles to get tickets to Hawaii the first week in July

Wow, looks like you know the timetable better than we do. Is that the date on the Intranet. I don't know any pilots that WANT to strike. We all have families and responsibilities, like you, and none of us take this lightly. I can assure you we will not be taking our huge savings and running off to Hawaii. Personally, I'll be making a showing at my local airport, encouraging the Teamster line personel to honor our picket line. Mr Big will have to get his bags off the field himself. Then they will have to repo for fuel. Gee I hope they don't park them, too far from the gate.
Enjoy your summer, I'll enjoy mine one way or the other.

 

[El Chupacabra]

No,

I really don't want to strike. No one does. I just can't take the humiliation from folks like G 200 and H2 and my buddy Catyaak etc. anymore.

I guess I could silence them by telling them I make $120K flying a Citation. All I have to do is consider the medical insurance, Perdiem, hotel reimbursements, price we pay for two recurrent trainings at FSI per year etc.

Afterall thats how people are being lead to believe the pilots were offered 6 figures and walked away.

 

[casino wife]

By the way, before I get slammed and get called names.......

That's Mrs. Troll to you

 

[DO-82 driver]

You know...I can care less what the people in the Casino think.....they can't vote so I'm not going to waste my time trying to "win" them over. It serve me no purpose.

If they want to believe the MotherShip and all of the half truths and full blown lies then that's their issue......

The folks up there have means to get the other side of the story. If they choice not to I can't do anything about it.

I'm voting and fighting for my paycheck....We're going to fight as hard as we can to get what we deserve.

 

[Majik]

I also don't care what the people in the casino think, especially when they aren't the ones that have been negotiating for over 3 1/2 years. I take their digs at our efforts in the same light as the other pilots on this board that make fun of our struggle.

So to all of you folks that work in the brain trust we call the Crystal Palace - Go ahead and attack our efforts to your heart's delight; it doesn't affect me one iota.

PS: I hope that our struggle doesn't affect your salary but it gets harder to worry about you when I read your negative comments on this board.

 

[Blues604]

I really hope that NetJets pilots go on strike. I think a lot of owners that once had their own flight departments will cancel their contracts and start buying airplanes, having learned that cheaper is not always better.

 

[Majik]

I really hope that NetJets pilots go on strike. I think a lot of owners that once had their own flight departments will cancel their contracts and start buying airplanes, having learned that cheaper is not always better.

And if that happens, then there will be a lot of replacement jobs for us out of work NJA pilots. Win-win situation in my book. I'll let Santulli make the final decision. I was looking for a job when I found this one. If this turns out to have been a bad decision, maybe my next one will work out better.

 

[FracCapt]

With so many qualified pilots in the market, especially down south, if you guys do go on strike, what is to stop these other folks from filling in your spots? Would they be looked at as scabs down the road if they applied for airline jobs? would they care anymore in this day and age of pi$$ poor pay in the regional levels....

I'm sure they would be considered as scabs by everybody, even the airlines. Just because the name of the company isn't Eastern or United doesn't mean that pilots won't react the same to those that crossed the line. I have nothing to do with Netjets, and I can guarantee that I would consider every person crossing the picket line a scab forever. I don't think the pay levels have anything to do with this distinction.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

Good morning Mr Owner. I am Capt Jim. I just got my Citation X type rating yesterday. This is great. A few weeks ago the biggest plane I have ever flown before was a Cessna 441. I am not too sure how all these buttons work on the FMS. We're going green needles today.

Easy there on the C-441 jokes Big Fella.

I flew that plane coast to coast by myself, at night (blah blah blah)..... And it was more demanding than ANY jet I've ever flown. It was just more forgiving when you screw up.

I'd take a good 441 or MU-2 driver and have him doing touch and goes at in a X within a month.

 

[Spooky 1]

Any of you NetJet guys/gals ever work with a fellow by the name of Gary Hoffman over there. Think he may have been a VP Operations. Just wondering what your impressions were.

 

[Hawkered]

Relax guys, it'll all work out. Santulli's going to come in on his white horse and save the day. Word is that our illustrious high profile leader is leaving anyway.

 

[Diesel]

man i go away for a few days and eat bbq and holy crapola.

I really don't care what the upstairs thinks about us. I know the union has said we have to win the hearts and minds but there is just no way we can keep up with the minister of information at bridgeway.

So we as the pilots stick together and fight our fight and not worry about what someone else thinks of us.

 

[netjetwife]

It is true that a strike could be avoided, and highly motivated pilots would continue going the extra mile for the company and the owners. All that is needed is a fair contract offering wages that recognize the level of responsibility and experience the pilots provide NJA. Breaking the contract at will, punitive scheduling and REGRESSIVE pay offers are NOT signs of willingness on the company's part to settle their differences with the pilots in a just and timely manner. That the mediator called a halt to the sessions right after the company made their bogus claims of an enhanced pay offer, seems to be a rather clear indication of who is guilty of dragging their heels.

In response to those of you who take exception to my "fuzzy" references to fairness, let me point out that I would be in the wrong to post numbers while the negotiating team is doing THEIR JOB--to get the best contract they can for the pilot force. I will say, that it seems very reasonable for the NJA pilots to receive wages in line with those of their counterparts within the NJ organization, especially when you consider that the NJA pilots have been subsidizing some of their sister companies that are less profitable. Additionally, how can anyone make an argument that it is FAIR for non-rated employees who lack the responsibility for lives and airplanes, to be paid MORE that a pilot in the company? This is NOT to say that THEY are overpaid, just that clearly the pilots are VASTLY UNDERPAID, and it is a correction that is WAY PAST DUE!

 

[netjetwife]

Diesel, my husband shares your opinion. He thinks it is unfortunate, but irrelevant--they have no control over the contract--that the other employees are being used as pawns (my word, not his) to break the morale of the pilots and their families. Yes there are some who'd like to win the War of Words on that front, but I don't believe that it is a declared goal of the union--is it? We all may well be disgusted with misinformation being passed for the truth, but if our side lets it become a distraction from concentrating on the contract, wouldn't that be playing into management's hands?

 

[Cpt Splash]

Just curious. Who made the statement that NJA pilots were the "most experienced and best trained pilots in the world"? And how does one get that distinction overnight? But seriously guys, good luck in July. It is going be real interesting to see how this pans out.


Quick question. I have been talking to some NJA pilots on the road and they seem to think that they will be unionizing the whole fractional industry. Is this truly the mentality? If so, that is going to be a real hard sell to CS and FJ.

Safe Flying

 

[El Chupacabra]

Easy there on the C-441 jokes Big Fella.

I'd take a good 441 or MU-2 driver and have him doing touch and goes at in a X within a month.

If he is that good why would he come here? LOL a big problem when all the pilots are fired is all the IPs are fired too.

 

[netjetwife]

The company makes those claims in their advertising, so consider the source.

Extending union representation is perhaps a long range goal, but the NJ pilots cannot afford to be side-tracked from working on their contract. Raising their wages will raise the bar for the fractional industry, so first things first, is what you will find the leadership saying, I believe.

 

[Lrjet55]

Without loosing focus on our primary goal of securing a contract that will make NJA a career location we are spending some time and effort in the hopes of unionizing FLOPS.

There are a few problems, however, and the most simple is the fact that we havent achieved the ultimate goal although pilots at Flight Options are learning the hard way the downside to not having a union. Losing 2 tier airports, crew meals coming out of per diem and some others are issues that a union could prevent.

There comes a time in the life span of a large pilot group where a union becomes a necessary evil. A union at its most basic level provides safety. The company wants efficiency, the pilot group wants safety. Often the pilot group will lose without some sort of representation.

If unionization of Flight Options does come to pass then we will see much needed standardization within the industry.

I encourage any and all Flight Options pilots to vote in favor of a union but understandably many will not until the NJA pilot group gives them a significant reason to do so.

 

[netjetwife]

Lrjet55, thanks for the reminder of that on-going effort. I should have mentioned it in my own post, and given credit to those involved. I guess I was thinking of companies where no attempt has been made to organize the pilots. Clearly, the NJ pilots will do what they can to encourage those who have begun the first steps toward solidarity. Industry wide standards would be a good thing for all of the pilots and their families.

 

[Ace-of-the-Base]

Omni Omni VOR. I have always believed there are always paybacks. I much rather be you than anyone who who crossed the line.... I rather fly non-sched from Willow.

A few years ago I took a jumpseat on Continental. The Captain welcomed me into the cockpit. He introduced himself. I am Frank, he said. Oh this is Bill... he's a S....

Not how I would have liked to complete a career at a major.

So yes I rather be you... then Bill.

Again WOW. I am amazed that adult professionals would be so concerned with what others think. This sounds like high school. "cross this line and I'll kick your ass". I got in alot of fights. I always took that challenge. The fact that you would rather have a sh$t job than have some dork pilots not talk to you for something you did in '83, wow.

The only reason I would ever NOT cross a picket line, is if I believed in the cause. Otherwise, any union could strike for any reason (right or wrong) and I would blindly follow. Brings us right back to your first post. Kinda' sounds like blind faith.

But yes, you are right. It's not directly my fight, don't work for NetJets, never been in a union, etc. But really, don't be so insecure and don't worry so much about what others think (except your loved ones).

Ace

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Good question. The line will still be there.

I actually believe that is exactly the plan. When we strike everybody will be fired. We are prepared.

How long will it take to train and relese to the line 2100 pilots?

Good morning Mr Owner. I am Capt Jim. I just got my Citation X type rating yesterday. This is great. A few weeks ago the biggest plane I have ever flown before was a Cessna 441. I am not too sure how all these buttons work on the FMS. We're going green needles today.

...and what was NetJets pulling in before the strike? experienced pilots? try flight instructors with a little padded charter or freight time....who else would work for those wages? an experienced corporate pilot? hardly....maybe someone sick of a regional but thats about it.

shiiit buddy, ....a 441 pilot wouldnt come work for your 24K/yr!!!! he/she probably makes 2X that on his 441!

 

[Diesel]

awww man here come the corporate pilots chiming in explaining to us how the world is.

STMFD.

 

[noturgearb!tch]

Hey, El Chupacabra

If I fly my a/c, for my owners, on my 135cert., operating under my op. specs. you will call me a Scab.

well I believe as do many attorneys, that you statement is "Slanderous and Malicious, Causing Undue Stress and Mental Anguish."

SCAB a : a contemptible person b (YOU) (1) : a worker who refuses to join a labor union (2) : a union member who refuses to strike or returns to work before a strike has ended (3) : a worker who accepts employment or replaces a union worker during a strike.

Last time I checked I have not interviewed with NJA, I am employed, happily I might add. I aint taking you job. I am just doing MINE.

Chew on that, toast me, and start walking.

P.S. LAST OWNER I WORKED FOR, SOLD THE A/C AND BOUGHT A SHARE. AND PUT ME OUT ON THE STREET.

YOU MY MAN ARE MY SCAB.

 

[h25b]

Hey, El Chupacabra

If I fly my a/c, for my owners, on my 135cert., operating under my op. specs. you will call me a Scab.

well I believe as do many attorneys, that you statement is "Slanderous and Malicious, Causing Undue Stress and Mental Anguish."

SCAB a : a contemptible person b (YOU) (1) : a worker who refuses to join a labor union (2) : a union member who refuses to strike or returns to work before a strike has ended (3) : a worker who accepts employment or replaces a union worker during a strike.

Last time I checked I have not interviewed with NJA, I am employed, happily I might add. I aint taking you job. I am just doing MINE.

Chew on that, toast me, and start walking.

P.S. LAST OWNER I WORKED FOR, SOLD THE A/C AND BOUGHT A SHARE. AND PUT ME OUT ON THE STREET.

YOU MY MAN ARE MY SCAB.

They seem to all be backing away from their previous SCAB making threats for the sell-offs...

 

[johnny taliban]

shiiit buddy, ....a 441 pilot wouldnt come work for your 24K/yr!!!! he/she probably makes 2X that on his 441!

Now that is funny! Seriously,I would love to meet the tool that crosses that picket line for those wages.

LMAO ,
Johnny

 

[netjetwife]

So true! It's not worth the risk that the NJ pilots are right and those who fly "struck work" will wind up wearing a scarlet letter that they can never shake. Far better to be sick that day. It'd be so much better if all of the pilots could stand together and present a united front that would bring a successful resolution that has the potential to raise wages across the industry. What if the srtike ended very quickly? Would it have been worth it to cross the line? I think not.

I feel badly for ALL underpaid pilots and believe that corrections need to be made. As always, someone has to lead the way. Please consider lending support to a cause that is bound to raise the bar for pilots outside of NJA, as well.

 

[FracCapt]

So true! It's not worth the risk that the NJ pilots are right and those who fly "struck work" will wind up wearing a scarlet letter that they can never shake. Far better to be sick that day.

If, by this, you are saying that all pilots that are doing charter sell off flights in the even of a strike should just call in sick and/or refuse to do the flights....you're way out of touch with reality.

I don't think that anybody that works for THEIR charter company, doing 135 sell off trips that just happen to be paid for by Netjets, is in any way a scab. If they fly NJA aircraft, then YES - they ARE a scab.

Those charter pilots don't have a dog in this fight, and quite honestly, I don't think half of them would have a clue that NJA pilots were on strike. Don't even try to perpetuate the lame threat that all pilots that fly any NJA charter trips are scabs.

 

[netjetwife]

I put the words "struck work" in quotation marks to let you know it is something I've been told. I've also heard that the charter pilots DO know when they're flying a NJ job. The idea of calling in sick came from my husband. I can see how the idea of winding up a scab would be a sickening thought. He would never cross a line and there are, doubtless, many other pilots out there who would refuse to as well. I am not trying to perpetuate anything. I'm merely asking pilots to lend their support to a worthy cause, and expressing an opinion that it wouldn't be a risk worth taking, IMHO.

 

[h25b]

I put the words "struck work" in quotation marks to let you know it is something I've been told. I've also heard that the charter pilots DO know when they're flying a NJ job. The idea of calling in sick came from my husband. I can see how the idea of winding up a scab would be a sickening thought. He would never cross a line and there are, doubtless, many other pilots out there who would refuse to as well. I am not trying to perpetuate anything. I'm merely asking pilots to lend their support to a worthy cause, and expressing an opinion that it wouldn't be a risk worth taking, IMHO.

This is where you are quickly eroding whatever outsite support you might have. NOONE outside of the fractional industry will EVER support your efforts if you continue with that ridiculous SCAB threat BS (which is exactly what it is). This talk has turned me from first truely supporting your efforts to now frankly not giving a s^&t if you ever get a raise...

As for the calling in sick for a NetJets sell-off trip ... This really shows me that your husband (to which I am greatful for his military service) doesn't have a clue about how life outside a fractional is. Geez, your ignorance is astounding lady.

Remember... It's always better to keep your mouth shut and let everyone think you're ignorant than to open your mouth and remove all doubt... This is clearly the case here. Next time your husband gets a bright idea like this one, keep it to yourself to save yourself the embarassment.