Stealth Age 67 to 70

[B6Busdriver]

And these clowns dare to call us the "me" generation. You can see why we are in trouble.

 

[BuckMurdock1]

WW2 = "The Greatest Generation"
Boomers = "The GREEDIEST Generation"

 

[fob727]

generation x= " The Give Me Generation"

 

[BuckMurdock1]

Generation X in aviation = "The why-don't-you-members-of-the-GREEDIEST generation-just-retire-with-a-little-dignity-instead-of-pathetically-attempting-to-legally-work-till-you-die-and-allow-us-to-provide-a-living-for-our-familys.. Generation"

Seriously- You've had your run, f*cking let it go! Spend time with your familys with the few years you have left (in case you aren't aware..pilots die earlier than others statistically). No pilot shortage coming. Plenty of "experienced" pilots to fill left seats (many have been 'babysitting' from the right seat for 5 additional yrs actually).

I respect my elders generally, but you're collectively making it damned hard to respect my elder pilots anymore.

 

[fr8doggie]

Spend time with your familys with the few years you have left (in case you aren't aware..pilots die earlier than others statistically).

I would like to see some documentation of this. Can anyone point to a scientific study that showed this to be true? I believe that it is just urban legend.

Regards,
Fr8-

 

[Whine Lover]

STUDY SAYS AIRLINE PILOTS DIE AT YOUNGER AGE THAN GENERAL POPULATION ARLINGTON, Va., June 15 /PRNewswire/ -- Airline pilot death rates are much higher around retirement age than those of the general population, according to a new study published in the June issue of the Flight Safety Foundation's Flight Safety Digest. The study, conducted by two Cyprus-based insurance experts, suggests that airline pilot death rates surge near and shortly after retirement age. Ibrahim E. Muhanna, the principal author of the study and chief executive officer of the OmniLife Overseas Insurance Co., said two data sources used for the study confirmed the trends. Data used for the study came from airline pilots associations in the United Kingdom, Argentina, Colombia, Switzerland, Greece, Ireland, Spain and the U.S. Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA). The non-U.S. data sources covered pilot deaths between the ages of 50 and 74; their average age of retirement was 56. The ALPA data covered deaths of those pilots between the ages of 60 and 80; 60 is the mandatory retirement age for U.S. pilots. Each group of data, when compared with general population trends, showed significant younger death rates for airline pilots. A comparison using the non-U.S. data showed that pilot death rates surged in the 55-59 age category and that the average age of death for the pilots studied was about 61. The average age of death for the general male population dying in the 50-74 age group is about 63. The ALPA data also indicate death rates at younger ages, with an average age at death of 67, compared to 70 for the general population. The study reports that 69 percent of pilot deaths in the ALPA data occurred in the first nine years after retirement. By comparison, the death distribution for the general population is more even, with only 45 percent of deaths in the 60-80 range occurring in the first nine years. Muhanna launched the preliminary study after pension fund data indicated that pilot life expectancy was lower than the general population. He asked for industry assistance during the Flight Safety Foundation's 43rd International Air Safety Seminar in Rome in 1990. Seminar participants later provided him with the data used in the study. Flight Safety Foundation is an international membership organization dedicated to improving flight safety. Non-profit and independent, the foundation was launched in 1945 in response to the aviation industry's need for a neutral clearinghouse to disseminate objective safety information, and for a credible and knowledgeable body that would identify threats to safety, analyze the problems and recommend practical solutions to them. Since its beginning, the foundation has acted in the public interest to produce positive influence on aviation safety. Today, the foundation provides leadership to 552 member organizations in 72 countries. -0- 6/15/92 /CONTACT: Roger Rozelle, director of publications, Flight Safety Foundation, 703-522-8300/ CO: Flight Safety Foundation ST: IN: AIR SU:

 

[urflyingme?!]

Being jet lagged for years on end is very healthy.

 

[Whine Lover]

Circadian rythm disruption, High Altitude radiation, recirculated -dry-air, subject to never ending frequencies/vibration/noise, constantly changing water/bacteria supply, thousands of people and their diseases/infections locked up in a tube w/you every month, hotels and bedsheets and suspect cleaning, occasional, but REAL, Life and Death decisions, polyester uniforms, airplane coffee, skank F/A's that touch Pee-Pee ( If you're Lucky), Ex-Wive's, blowed-up engines, a "good" Hong Kong layover, municipal Police Departments, airport fast food, crew meals, vending machines, beer and tacos at 7 am, 48 hour Vegas layovers......The List goes ON and ON.

It's a wonder any of us make it past 35....Let alone 65.


WORD.

YKW


P.S.- Ain't it GREAT?

 

[jonjuan]

Instead of a fire hose retirement shower, a retiring 64 yo pilot should be greeted with a huge sign: "Welcome to Gummerville. Population: You!".

 

[fob727]

Generation X in aviation = "The why-don't-you-members-of-the-GREEDIEST generation-just-retire-with-a-little-dignity-instead-of-pathetically-attempting-to-legally-work-till-you-die-and-allow-us-to-provide-a-living-for-our-familys.. Generation"

Seriously- You've had your run, f*cking let it go! Spend time with your familys with the few years you have left (in case you aren't aware..pilots die earlier than others statistically). No pilot shortage coming. Plenty of "experienced" pilots to fill left seats (many have been 'babysitting' from the right seat for 5 additional yrs actually).

I respect my elders generally, but you're collectively making it damned hard to respect my elder pilots anymore.

Because it's thier "f*cking" job to keep. Grow up, Alice!
Whiney, your report was from 1992, I think there has been a few advancements since then.

 

[jonjuan]

Because it's thier "f*cking" job to keep. Grow up, Alice!
Whiney, your report was from 1992, I think there has been a few advancements since then.

Yep- the advancement of the average American gut.

 

[waveflyer]

Because it's thier "f*cking" job to keep. Grow up, Alice!
Whiney, your report was from 1992, I think there has been a few advancements since then.

Their job they f^cking got when age 60 pilots retired before them -
You aren't special-You haven't accomplished one thing a 30-50yo pilot hasn't as well. + you had way less barriers to entry to a major than this generation has had bc your generation also saw fit to outsource half the domestic legacy flights- so please- spare us your outrage over 65- the profession will be better off when it's not in the boomer's greed oriented hands

 

[waveflyer]

Yep- the advancement of the average American gut.

This^^^

 

[Flyer1015]

Or do what some countries are already pushing to do: no age discrimination, fly as long as you can hold a first class medical.

 

[instructordude]

Or do what some countries are already pushing to do: no age discrimination, fly as long as you can hold a first class medical.

Probably what is best. Put a stop to descriminashun.

 

[eaglesview]

This entire thread courtesy of some anomynous guy who says he had "some guy" on his jumpseat who said he was on some stealth mission that no one has heard of....... Give me a break....good night i'll sleep well after this chuckle.

 

[madjack]

Let's eliminate age discrimination, but to be fair let's also change the paradigm of airline seniority...with the advancements in communication, aircraft design and crew coordination, the role of airline captain as the primary decision maker has diminished. So has the justification for the two tier pay scale (FO vs CP). One pay scale based on longevity (per aircraft type) would make mergers painless and not financially impact 1/2 the seniority group...

 

[General Lee]

Let's eliminate age discrimination, but to be fair let's also change the paradigm of airline seniority...with the advancements in communication, aircraft design and crew coordination, the role of airline captain as the primary decision maker has diminished. So has the justification for the two tier pay scale (FO vs CP). One pay scale based on longevity (per aircraft type) would make mergers painless and not financially impact 1/2 the seniority group...

Age discrimination starts in the Constitution. There is a minimum age to be President of the United States. (I think it is 33 or 35). There are mandatory retirement ages for cops and firemen. Do you want a 66 year old firman carrying you down a burning staircase?

Btw, Canada has recently passed a law letting pilots fly past 65, but they can only fly as a narrowbody FO, or widebody cruise officer.(SO) I hope it doesn't go that way, but if it does, at least it allows upgrades to continue as those guys get to do walk arounds again. But, that wouldn't help with new hiring.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[eaglesview]

Let's eliminate age discrimination, but to be fair let's also change the paradigm of airline seniority...with the advancements in communication, aircraft design and crew coordination, the role of airline captain as the primary decision maker has diminished. So has the justification for the two tier pay scale (FO vs CP). One pay scale based on longevity (per aircraft type) would make mergers painless and not financially impact 1/2 the seniority group...

Sorry but this is the dumbest thing I have heard in a while. Why don't we just have an airliner going through the air were all decisions are done by proxy. Someone has to be in charge. Someone has to make the final desicion. That person is the captain and that person will always make more. With your system why don't we let the nurses in the O.R. decide procedure. Or let the surgical resident make the final call. NO thanks.

 

[jonjuan]

This^^^

Which will fortunately accelerate the Geezer Meter. I just don't want CA 48" waist wedged behind the controls after his in flight heart attack.