Stealth Age 67 to 70

[Flopgut]

I really hope I do end up sounding crazy. Remember, it's not like a retirement age increase didn't happen in the middle of the night. Ok? Additionally, where are the voices of the guys who acted like five years would do the trick? Should there not be some social enforcement out there from pilots who wanted 65, now acknowledging that enough is enough? There is nobody doing that. It's like 65 didn't help at all.

 

[BrickTop]

Half the pilots over 60 look like the dirt bag of a 1957 Hoover Wide clean. Especially UAL. Those men let themselves self-destruct. I doubt their medical will last much past 65. And if it does a few will challenge that in a parking lot of fed up 30 something stagnated pilots looking to deliver a fist full of greed discipline. GET OUT.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Stagnated? At "30-something"? Wouldn't those be new-hires with unrealistic expectations?

 

[Bringupthebird]

I really hope I do end up sounding crazy.

Well, if you don't it's not from lack of trying!

It's like 65 didn't help at all.

65 wasn't supposed to help the "pilot shortage". It was supposed to bring some reality into the retirement age for pilots that hadn't changed in almost 50 years. Extend it further? Maybe in a few decades when we see how 65 works out, that will be reasonable. If you do it now, do it along with a wholesale overhaul of pilot medicals, including dropping the third-class and allowing VFR private pilots to self-certify.

 

[Bringupthebird]

if it gets pushed back again I will kick someone in the face.

I'm saving enough to retire at age 55 and can't wait. Goodbye. All you greedy, cranky old f----s can die in the left seat if it really is your goal.

So why does the retirement age affect you if you plan on leaving at an arbitrary age?

What responsibility is it of the current pilots to improve contracts so that a pilot can make enough to contribute to a retirement plan or make investments that will allow them to retire at 65 or earlier? The erosion of buying power effects everyone and the worse it gets, the longer folks have to work just to survive.

 

[Flopgut]

65 wasn't supposed to help the "pilot shortage". It was supposed to bring some reality into the retirement age for pilots that hadn't changed in almost 50 years.

Ah, but in reality it did much more than that didn't it? That was the "Fair Treatment for Experienced Pilot Act" Complete with overnight seniority grab and built in windfall for a bunch of old guys. "Fair treatment" for you is sufficient to change the Constitution. But of other's expectations for some sort of fairness? You've got this to say:

Stagnated? At "30-something"? Wouldn't those be new-hires with unrealistic expectations?

Interesting. You are a peice of work. And if that's not enough, you continue with:

So why does the retirement age affect you if you plan on leaving at an arbitrary age?

What responsibility is it of the current pilots to improve contracts so that a pilot can make enough to contribute to a retirement plan or make investments that will allow them to retire at 65 or earlier? The erosion of buying power effects everyone and the worse it gets, the longer folks have to work just to survive.

You question any responsibility you might have to another pilot with expectations, but you've got zero apprehension over expecting other pilots to accomodate your needs. Whatever they me be, and especially if they are a detriment to others.

I might be crazy, but at least I'm not weak.

 

[Bringupthebird]

My needs? I can retire prior to 65 whenever I choose.

Age 60 was defended on the basis of safety, which has been proven to be a farce. It was indefensible featherbedding, and the slight change to 65 brought it a little closer to the reality of the rest of the world.

And no, I don't think I owe the younger generation a thing, especially retaining something like Age 60. I don't support an elimination of the the retirement age unless is comes with a wholesale overhaul to the medical standards for pilots, which is a safety concern. The same advances in medicine that have made the average 65 year old just as medically fit as the 60 year old of days gone by, have also brought us additional medical screening for other potentially debilitating illnesses. Add those to the repetoire of the AME and you may see a few vacancies in the left seat, but quite likely just as many in the right.

Why not abandon your fruitless attacks on age and seniority and focus on right and wrong. You'll likely get more support and you won't appear nearly as weak.

 

[Flopgut]

Stagnated? At "30-something"? Wouldn't those be new-hires with unrealistic expectations?

The erosion of buying power effects everyone and the worse it gets, the longer folks have to work just to survive.

30 something dude: "My career expectations are stagnated"! Answer: Waaa!

You: "I gotta work longer to survive"! Answer: Waaa!

They are basically the same complaint dude.

Oh wait, you said you could retire at any time... Right....

 

[f15boomer]

Flying from PHX to the east. There are a few westies that live in the east A..H....

 

[Furloughed80]

The CPO at sCAL sent out a blastmail that mentioned a strong push to change the mandatory retirement age to 67. Apparently, it was the regional carriers that were lobbying in DC because of staffing issues they will face when the majors start hiring (combined with the new increased minimums for hiring pilots). For now, there are no planned changes to the mandatory retirement age. I honestly thought increasing the retirement age again was just rumor and speculation. This was the first time I heard from 'an official source' that there are groups lobbying for age 67.

 

[Flopgut]

Apparently, it was the regional carriers that were lobbying in DC because of staffing issues they will face when the majors start hiring (combined with the new increased minimums for hiring pilots).

From what I observe out of sCAL CPO, and others trying to increase the age past 65 is, they are grasping onto anything to try and get more time. It's really not the regional carriers. It's the usual-suspect old guys using the regional issue as something to further their agenda. It's like safety or discrimination. They're trying to attach their cause to one that is more credible, to get what they want.

 

[list2002]

The CPO at sCAL sent out a blastmail that mentioned a strong push to change the mandatory retirement age to 67. Apparently, it was the regional carriers that were lobbying in DC because of staffing issues they will face when the majors start hiring (combined with the new increased minimums for hiring pilots). For now, there are no planned changes to the mandatory retirement age. I honestly thought increasing the retirement age again was just rumor and speculation. This was the first time I heard from 'an official source' that there are groups lobbying for age 67.

I must have missed that one. Though Fox didn't bat an eye when someone asked him about it at GSR an said, "yeah, I heard that being knocked around."

Only way I would remotely support it is all over 60 to the right seat. Prior to the initial change, it should have been, everyone hired after the date this takes effect can work till 65. But such is life.
I wonder how much harder it is to run an ATC station than fly being that they must retire 10 years earlier than pilots?

 

[Paul R. Smith]

missed that too but I have gotten pretty good at speed reading all the blastmail "nothing new, and the TA will take time" emails that I might have glossed over that nugget.

And I seriously doubt it's the regional guys.

 

[Furloughed80]

For reference, it is the EWR CPO blastmail; dated 9/23.

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

Is the CP a SCAB?

 

[Furloughed80]

No, IMHO, he's a real good guy. I will probably get flamed for saying so....

 

[cldsfr79]

I always love this topic.

I know the older pilots think it's their right to stay as long as they like; to tell the young apprentice FOs to earn their keep.

Honestly what if this rule was going on 30 years ago when these "retired" guys were looking to move up the ladder. 30 years ago would they have said "yes, I agree, increase the age, I haven't earned the left seat yet, I need to wait another decade to increase my career movement." I'm pretty sure they would be saying the same things young guys are saying now.

It's all prospective where you are in life.

And is it fair they get to stay on top, extend their career, and hope the finish line get moved again. For them yes, for the rest of us no.

 

[Boxboy]

When these gummers started with the majors 25+ years ago, they knew that their career was up at age 60. Should of could of would of...... whatever! The point is this: Lay in the bed you've made! Poor financial planning and/or losing self control (ie. not keeping your johnson in the pants on layovers, multiple failed marriages, forsaken children all over the map, etc.) is their problem, not ours. If it's not poor planning and execution, then it's greed-simple as that! Get a life 'cause life is short or do I have to explain that one too?

 

[propjob27]

can anyone post that part of the CAL CPs memo about age 67?? Haven't heard this insanity at FedEx yet.

 

[EWR_FO]

can anyone post that part of the CAL CPs memo about age 67?? Haven't heard this insanity at FedEx yet.

Age 67: The hot rumor going around is that the retirement age for pilots is going to be changed to 67 shortly. I have been told that this is more rumor than fact. The issue was being lobbied by the regional carriers who are in a panic over the drain of pilots to the majors and their inability to backfill their operation especially with the higher flying time required for new pilot hiring. There was a brief spurt of activity in DCA, then it closed up like a clam. So as far as I can find out, there is nothing happening at this time that would lead to a change in the retirement age.