Stealth Age 67 to 70

[list2002]

AWESOME rumors and ideas! First that we should stagnate growth indefinitely, work till we die, and at the same time a suggestion that CA's make the same as FO's. So IF I ever upgrade I can look forward to that... and I bet if the age limit is removed, but those over 60 have to sit right seat, that WILL be the next move.

 

[madjack]

List,

Ok, how much more should u make as a CP when u upgrade? The CPs job has been made easier over the years, and the FOs share responsibility if something goes wrong...the diff btw the jobs has diminished, yet FOs labor on the low end of an archaic two tier pay system. With age 67 on the horizon and Seniority list stagnation a reality, how long r u willing to wait to get yours (upgrade) and how much $$ will u lose?

 

[Clutch]

I'm on the brink of slipping mickey's into these geezers' Ensure

 

[Boxboy]

If the "fly 'till u die" age passes, a few changes need to be incorporated into the FOM and FH.
1) All gummers* shall have the shoulder harnesses on and in the locked postion at all times while the aircraft is in motion.
2) Depends shall be part of the uniform for all gummers* as the use of the lavatory during flight is prohibited for all gummers* to include any jumpseaters who fit this criteria. Random Depends checks will be conducted by a qualified FA. The FA peforming the inspection must have more than 30 years of seniority with the company since he/she will have first hand experience with the operation of the Depends device.
3) All FOs shall be trained and qualified on the defibrillator. No exceptions. This will be an annual training requirement. This will be a hands-on training event consisting of one FO and one gummer*. A trained ER technician shall be present during training in the event the gummer* fails the training event. All crew members are required to pass this event and the training will continue untill all gummers* have been exhausted. There will be no remedial training.

*=any flight crew members over the age of 60

 

[relief tube]

if it gets pushed back again I will kick someone in the face.

I'm saving enough to retire at age 55 and can't wait. Goodbye. All you greedy, cranky old f----s can die in the left seat if it really is your goal.

 

[Flopgut]

3) All FOs shall be trained and qualified on the defibrillator. No exceptions.

Gummers ought to wear the defibrillator the entire flight. It should be wired to the emergency bus.

 

[Flopgut]

What happened to ethics? Toe the line and take your turn?

Retirements haven't even resumed and old guys want it moved up. This should remove all doubt as to which generation holds the franchise on greed.

 

[jonjuan]

Gummers ought to wear the defibrillator the entire flight. It should be wired to the emergency bus.

Really? How about, "Dammit, and I thought the defrib was charged before we left. Sorry Cap'n, looks like I'm gonna have to take this landing myself. Can you get please get your hands off you chest and at least get the gear?"

 

[flyboyike]

3) All FOs shall be trained and qualified on the defibrillator. No exceptions.

I'm already trained therein, but I won't be using it on a gummer. I'd rather it be available for someone actually worth saving.

 

[Flopgut]

This is the latest on this issue:

L-CAL training and advancement plan for the latest bid is now overdue. If we don't see that plan by Friday, we've got trouble. Old, senior pilots (mostly L-UAL, some L-CAL) are lobbying for age waivers to 67 from the FAA. These guys are whispering in jeff and fred's ears and suggesting they help them stay two more years, and in return these old pilots will help mgt continue to outsource, cancel upgrades, and forego hiring. They are using the big L-CAL bid, the crossover UAL pilots who are coming back to the company, and the rumored hiring as leverage to help them stay.

Yeah, this is a stretch, but it's all they have, really [luckily]. Another official age increase has no support.

 

[eaglesview]

Good Grief....no comment

 

[Flopgut]

Hey eagle: You know a lot of these guys. Do you think they are above using the current pilot turmoil over at American to further their own agenda in Washington? Shoot man, these guys would throw thier mothers under a bus for two more years of their seniority.

 

[eaglesview]

Since I already know you just make stuff up and say whatever you want i'm not to concerned.

 

[Flopgut]

And I get that because you hate CAL so much you can't see that UAL 85 hires are the real problem. Remember, the wackos are still around trying to game retirement age again (APAAD and SWA), but they never made a difference in the first place til the UAL guys threw Prater votes as he promised to raise the retirement age. Those same pilots are bypassing ALPA this time and trying to make a deal for mgts help in getting waivers. I do not think they have much of a chance, but this is the play they are making.

 

[vetteracer]

I never understood how some guys could fly for an airline for 35 years, and be broke at age 60.

 

[chqflyer]

I never understood how some guys could fly for an airline for 35 years, and be broke at age 60.

Some folks are just piss-poor money managers. Too many toys, bad investments, ex-wives, etc. Its not just pilots, look at some of these celebrities or wall street types that take in millions and are flat broke a decade later.

 

[doylehargraves]

What is it with baby boomers? LET IT GO. Enjoy your family and die in peace and not at the controls. Good grief, RETIRE ALREADY LOSERS

 

[eaglesview]

And I get that because you hate CAL so much you can't see that UAL 85 hires are the real problem. Remember, the wackos are still around trying to game retirement age again (APAAD and SWA), but they never made a difference in the first place til the UAL guys threw Prater votes as he promised to raise the retirement age. Those same pilots are bypassing ALPA this time and trying to make a deal for mgts help in getting waivers. I do not think they have much of a chance, but this is the play they are making.

You're comical. No matter how many times I tell you I have no issues with the CO pilots of today you still spew the same crap. Reread post # 73

 

[agrrlpilot]

Ha!! The only "pilot shortage" that exists is in the pay structure. Do you really think there would be a pilot shortage if the pay got better at the regionals? If I could make the pay a SWA or UPS pilot is making, I wouldn't care what I was flying! I suspect there are a lot of pilots out there thinking like that.

 

[fob727]

This is the latest on this issue:

L-CAL training and advancement plan for the latest bid is now overdue. If we don't see that plan by Friday, we've got trouble. Old, senior pilots (mostly L-UAL, some L-CAL) are lobbying for age waivers to 67 from the FAA. These guys are whispering in jeff and fred's ears and suggesting they help them stay two more years, and in return these old pilots will help mgt continue to outsource, cancel upgrades, and forego hiring. They are using the big L-CAL bid, the crossover UAL pilots who are coming back to the company, and the rumored hiring as leverage to help them stay.

Yeah, this is a stretch, but it's all they have, really [luckily]. Another official age increase has no support.

Jeez, FG! Do you have black helicopters flying over your house too?