Stealth Age 67 to 70

[jonjuan]

Because it's thier "f*cking" job to keep. Grow up, Alice!
Whiney, your report was from 1992, I think there has been a few advancements since then.

Yep- the advancement of the average American gut.

 

[waveflyer]

Because it's thier "f*cking" job to keep. Grow up, Alice!
Whiney, your report was from 1992, I think there has been a few advancements since then.

Their job they f^cking got when age 60 pilots retired before them -
You aren't special-You haven't accomplished one thing a 30-50yo pilot hasn't as well. + you had way less barriers to entry to a major than this generation has had bc your generation also saw fit to outsource half the domestic legacy flights- so please- spare us your outrage over 65- the profession will be better off when it's not in the boomer's greed oriented hands

 

[waveflyer]

Yep- the advancement of the average American gut.

This^^^

 

[Flyer1015]

Or do what some countries are already pushing to do: no age discrimination, fly as long as you can hold a first class medical.

 

[instructordude]

Or do what some countries are already pushing to do: no age discrimination, fly as long as you can hold a first class medical.

Probably what is best. Put a stop to descriminashun.

 

[eaglesview]

This entire thread courtesy of some anomynous guy who says he had "some guy" on his jumpseat who said he was on some stealth mission that no one has heard of....... Give me a break....good night i'll sleep well after this chuckle.

 

[madjack]

Let's eliminate age discrimination, but to be fair let's also change the paradigm of airline seniority...with the advancements in communication, aircraft design and crew coordination, the role of airline captain as the primary decision maker has diminished. So has the justification for the two tier pay scale (FO vs CP). One pay scale based on longevity (per aircraft type) would make mergers painless and not financially impact 1/2 the seniority group...

 

[General Lee]

Let's eliminate age discrimination, but to be fair let's also change the paradigm of airline seniority...with the advancements in communication, aircraft design and crew coordination, the role of airline captain as the primary decision maker has diminished. So has the justification for the two tier pay scale (FO vs CP). One pay scale based on longevity (per aircraft type) would make mergers painless and not financially impact 1/2 the seniority group...

Age discrimination starts in the Constitution. There is a minimum age to be President of the United States. (I think it is 33 or 35). There are mandatory retirement ages for cops and firemen. Do you want a 66 year old firman carrying you down a burning staircase?

Btw, Canada has recently passed a law letting pilots fly past 65, but they can only fly as a narrowbody FO, or widebody cruise officer.(SO) I hope it doesn't go that way, but if it does, at least it allows upgrades to continue as those guys get to do walk arounds again. But, that wouldn't help with new hiring.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[eaglesview]

Let's eliminate age discrimination, but to be fair let's also change the paradigm of airline seniority...with the advancements in communication, aircraft design and crew coordination, the role of airline captain as the primary decision maker has diminished. So has the justification for the two tier pay scale (FO vs CP). One pay scale based on longevity (per aircraft type) would make mergers painless and not financially impact 1/2 the seniority group...

Sorry but this is the dumbest thing I have heard in a while. Why don't we just have an airliner going through the air were all decisions are done by proxy. Someone has to be in charge. Someone has to make the final desicion. That person is the captain and that person will always make more. With your system why don't we let the nurses in the O.R. decide procedure. Or let the surgical resident make the final call. NO thanks.

 

[jonjuan]

This^^^

Which will fortunately accelerate the Geezer Meter. I just don't want CA 48" waist wedged behind the controls after his in flight heart attack.

 

[madjack]

Why don't we just have an airliner going through the air were all decisions are done by proxy. Someone has to be in charge.

Eagle,

I hate to break it too you but CPs authority to make decisions has been diminished by advancements in air carrier aircraft (increased automation) and communication (read dispatch). We no longer are flying multie-engine pistons alone and unafraid across the pacific...in fact FOs are command qualified in many instances of long haul flying...the two tier pay system unfairly hurts the FO (but the companies love getting 1/2 the pilots at a 30 percent discount)...

 

[GG747]

What pilot shortage? Age 60 rule was fine.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Circadian rythm disruption, High Altitude radiation, recirculated -dry-air, subject to never ending frequencies/vibration/noise, constantly changing water/bacteria supply, thousands of people and their diseases/infections locked up in a tube w/you every month, hotels and bedsheets and suspect cleaning, occasional, but REAL, Life and Death decisions, polyester uniforms, airplane coffee, skank F/A's that touch Pee-Pee ( If you're Lucky), Ex-Wive's, blowed-up engines, a "good" Hong Kong layover, municipal Police Departments, airport fast food, crew meals, vending machines, beer and tacos at 7 am, 48 hour Vegas layovers......The List goes ON and ON.

UAV technology will quickly overcome all these problems. The "shortage" will come at the most opportune time.

The first airline that can get approval for UAV Passenger service with a $55 LAX-JFK fare will become the new WN. But the kid flying it from his basement will still get to wear 4 stripes and a big watch.

 

[KingAirKiddo]

Their job they f^cking got when age 60 pilots retired before them -
You aren't special-You haven't accomplished one thing a 30-50yo pilot hasn't as well. + you had way less barriers to entry to a major than this generation has had bc your generation also saw fit to outsource half the domestic legacy flights- so please- spare us your outrage over 65- the profession will be better off when it's not in the boomer's greed oriented hands

Seconded. Thank you all for your mentorship over the years, but it's time to retire and let the rest of us have a shot at making a living. There have been enough barriers to career advancement over the past decade or so without exacerbating the stagnation problem even more.

 

[BuckMurdock1]

Seconded. Thank you all for your mentorship over the years, but it's time to retire and let the rest of us have a shot at making a living. There have been enough barriers to career advancement over the past decade or so without exacerbating the stagnation problem even more.

Here's an honorable pilot who is retiring with dignity and respect for the next generation who are just trying to provide for their families. Glad there's at least one of you still out there. Enjoy retirement..

 

[eaglesview]

Here's an honorable pilot who is retiring with dignity and respect for the next generation who are just trying to provide for their families. Glad there's at least one of you still out there. Enjoy retirement..

try rereading the post. That is not what he is saying.

 

[eaglesview]

Why don't we just have an airliner going through the air were all decisions are done by proxy. Someone has to be in charge.

Eagle,

I hate to break it too you but CPs authority to make decisions has been diminished by advancements in air carrier aircraft (increased automation) and communication (read dispatch). We no longer are flying multie-engine pistons alone and unafraid across the pacific...in fact FOs are command qualified in many instances of long haul flying...the two tier pay system unfairly hurts the FO (but the companies love getting 1/2 the pilots at a 30 percent discount)...

i would argue that captain's authority has been enhanced by said advancements. Yes f/o's have type ratings for long haul, they are still not in charge. In fact I fly with f/o's who were once captains in the airplane I am currently flying at UAL. They are undoubtedly a great asset, they are not in charge.

 

[fob727]

Which will fortunately accelerate the Geezer Meter. I just don't want CA 48" waist wedged behind the controls after his in flight heart attack.

You are a ******************************!

 

[jonjuan]

You are a ******************************!

Your teeth must have fallen out as all we heard was **********************!

 

[atpcliff]

The age limit will be repealed.

Canada already has no age limit. Europe started an Age 70 committee about 5 years ago. They will also have no age limit, probably before the US does.

cliff
GRB

 

[Yuppyguppy]

Well it will take them another 5 years then...WHATEVER DUDE!!!

 

[fob727]

Your teeth must have fallen out as all we heard was **********************!

You should take your comedy show on the road! Hilarious!

Actually, I have about 15 more tears til 65, jerk!

 

[LAHSOinMIA]

Sounds like an...

...Why don't we just have an airliner going through the air were all decisions are done by proxy...

Isn't that an Airbus? LOL.

(Don't get offended, its just a chiste!)

 

[Andy]

The age limit will be repealed.

Canada already has no age limit. Europe started an Age 70 committee about 5 years ago. They will also have no age limit, probably before the US does.

cliff
GRB

Cliff, have you got a reliable source for those statements? Because I stopped after your comment about no age limit for Canadian pilots. It's wrong. When Canada announced no retirement age for its citizens, it carved out exemptions for certain professions. It was recently determined by the Canadian Federal Court of Appeals that airline pilots fall under that exemption. http://www.ottawacitizen.com/life/C...+mandatory+retirement+case/7013869/story.html

If you peel back another layer on the onion of the Canadian Human Rights Act, you'll find that the loophole that possibly allowed pilots to die on job at age 71 has been repealed. Which makes it unlikely that the Canadian Supreme Court will entertain any pilot age discrimination lawsuits.

I didn't bother looking for any European Age 70 committee because if there is one, they're likely napping most of the day. As is the case with most gummers that I've flown transcons with.


As for the original post, I believe that it's accurate. Having spent some time with Capital Hill staffers, I have no doubt that anyone pushing for an increased retirement age was met by smiling bobble head Congressional staffers. They'll smile and shake their heads approvingly at any suggestion. And then they'll suggest that political contributions 'help the cause'. These aren't the people that need to be feared; it's the AARP and airline lobbyists - the professional lobbyists who know which wheel to grease. And yes, AARP is in favor of raising pilot retirement age.

 

[eaglesview]

Isn't that an Airbus? LOL.

(Don't get offended, its just a chiste!)

Well played.

 

[madjack]

Eagle,

you miss my point...I agree there has to be a PIC on every flight, but paying that individual 30 percent more than the guy his right (FO) seems unfair given that the differences in the two jobs has gotten less and less over the years with the advancement in technology...to eliminate the pain of mergers and stagnation, why no go to a single longevity pay scale??

 

[eaglesview]

Eagle,

you miss my point...I agree there has to be a PIC on every flight, but paying that individual 30 percent more than the guy his right (FO) seems unfair given that the differences in the two jobs has gotten less and less over the years with the advancement in technology...to eliminate the pain of mergers and stagnation, why no go to a single longevity pay scale??

Because in almost all professions pay gets tied to responsibility. Captains sign for the airplane and agree with the dispatcher concerning the flight plan. The FAR states the CAPTAIN and dispatcher are responsible for the flight. Most FOM's state unless incapacitated the Captain is in charge. When UAL was keeping track of fuel scores they didn't care who the f/o was, just the captain. I could go on but until f/o's are on the hook equally with the captain the captain will, and should, be paid more.

 

[Chairman]

Eagle,

you miss my point...I agree there has to be a PIC on every flight, but paying that individual 30 percent more than the guy his right (FO) seems unfair given that the differences in the two jobs has gotten less and less over the years with the advancement in technology...to eliminate the pain of mergers and stagnation, why no go to a single longevity pay scale??

Captain would sure go Junior

 

[LearLove]

O great another "guy in the jumpseat" story. Because those are always true.

Flying last week from PHX to the East coast with a US Airways jumpseater on the jump. Conversation turned to his reason for the trip to the coast. He explained to us that he was one of a group of "pro age 70 pllots" working under the radar to have the age 65 retirement age changed to 67 and then stepped to 70. He explained to me and my over 60 captain that they were attempting to keep this as clandestine as possible to keep opposition to a minimum. At this point I became irritated and asked what excuse they were using this time. He explained to us that the coming pilot shortage would be devastating to the airline industry and that in order to avoid this the retirement age would have to raised to 70 to keep all the experienced pilots in the left seat . He stated the progress was very good and that a change in the retirement age would come before the end of the year. FO at our company has a father working for the FAA and confirmed that strong consideration was indeed being given to changing the age. The gift that keeps on giving!!

 

[eaglesview]

O great another "guy in the jumpseat" story. Because those are always true.

But, but this guy had a freind and that guy knew someone that's in the training center and he said that his friend is in the know so it must be true.