65%ish (hard line holders) get their schedules in the first week of the month and then get to trip trade to improve it in the Initial Line Improvement Window around the 15th. The rest of the pilots get their schedules just prior to the last week of the month.
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So ASA's PBS Couldn't Build Me A Schedule...It Dumps Me On Reserve...WTF
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65%ish (hard line holders) get their schedules in the first week of the month and then get to trip trade to improve it in the Initial Line Improvement Window around the 15th. The rest of the pilots get their schedules just prior to the last week of the month.
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No he IS wrong. I did not bid properly? Wtf?!?
I purposely have an extra "last stand" bid sheet that has nothing on it but "Bid all pairings before reserve" & "allow single days off"....How in the name of Sure deodorant did i not bid properly???? I put this info in the first post...did you not even read the first post in this thread?
That's a rhetorical question...don't waste your time trying to answer it. I DID bid correctly...the system has a major flaw...my seniority got donkey punched...end of story.
Did the guys junior to you that got a line have vacation? Do you have a training event in August? BTW, you should have 3 bidsheets, there's no reason not to use all 3.
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I had vacation in July, only needed two 4 day trips and I was FORCED on reserve. Went to the ALPA office directly to see if I messed up my bid somehow. I was told I did NOT mess up my bid, but that I was FORCED on reserve because I was so junior and for July reserve was required to be at least 12%. I said WTF
?!? And it was explained to me that 7 other pilots senior to me were ALSO forced on reserve because the min reserve percentage starts at the bottom of the seniority list and works upward. It doesn't matter if you have 70 credits BEFORE the bid and only need 5, if you are in the bottom 12% you are getting reserve.
?!? And it was explained to me that 7 other pilots senior to me were ALSO forced on reserve because the min reserve percentage starts at the bottom of the seniority list and works upward. It doesn't matter if you have 70 credits BEFORE the bid and only need 5, if you are in the bottom 12% you are getting reserve.
And if you had line bidding the bottom 20% had no chance of anything and were getting reserve no matter what. What is the complaint?
The PWG and the company are right now literally flipping a coin to see whose solutions are run.... Call it in the air!!!
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This is ridiculous. Its the 22nd of the month and I still have no idea what Im doing next month. At least with line bidding we knew what our schedule was for the majority of the month on the 15th.
I got reunions, birthdays, and summer trips that I need to either commit to or decline...
How about I just show up a couple days late for work next month?
I got reunions, birthdays, and summer trips that I need to either commit to or decline...
How about I just show up a couple days late for work next month?
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Don't you have some felching to do?
Looks like the company won this round.
Yeah they did, my schedule suuuuucks. I didn't know you could have that many single days off in a month...lol
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As a former PBS instructor at another carrier, its been my experience that when an individual's award is so out of the ordinary that they get reserve, 99% of the time its operator error. And the majority of those are because of too many constraints. A person builds so many constraints in their bid, that the program can't build them a line. Most of the time its just seniority.
Of course, as has been stated before, GIGO. You have to have reasonably decent pairings to begin with, and that's where ALPA needs to be proactive: Get to the pairings before they are loaded into PBS.
If ASA has PBS instructors, get a hold of one and go over your bid. You may find that what you wanted, and what you actually told the program you wanted are two very different things.
Then again, its ASA...
Of course, as has been stated before, GIGO. You have to have reasonably decent pairings to begin with, and that's where ALPA needs to be proactive: Get to the pairings before they are loaded into PBS.
If ASA has PBS instructors, get a hold of one and go over your bid. You may find that what you wanted, and what you actually told the program you wanted are two very different things.
Then again, its ASA...
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