So ASA's PBS Couldn't Build Me A Schedule...It Dumps Me On Reserve...WTF

[Trcb777]

On a vacation month, you need to get above 65 hrs. 28 vacation credit hrs and 37 more hours. You cannot let the pbs find anymore pairing on your first bid sheet or it will keep adding them on your schedule until your to 75hrs or higher.

Make sure all other pairing cancel each other out and all remaining pairing are on bid sheet 2 or 3.

I have vacation for July. Two 3 day trips 66.7 hrs.

 

[twott driver]

I have vacation and aqp in Aug. Got a 4 day trip and they had to drop almost all of the carryover trip, so I'm at work 9 days total for the month. Pretty junior too. They will be gunning for the vacation low in negotiations, you can bet on that. Don't give it back.

 

[Abernathy]

I'm one of the most junior hard line holders in my base (bottom 10-20 depending on the month) at xjt and consistently get lines with all crap 4 days over the weekends. With our system I'm able to trade to get all weekend days off (or most) and work mostly day trips and 2 days (I live in base). Crediting 100-110 hrs is usually never a problem, not even considering red flag pay. If I get a crap schedule with pbs will I be able to improve it like this?

In May my vacation turned my crap 4 day/weekend line in to 21 days off for the month at a 75hr guarantee. I then traded in our Initial Line Improvement Window to 23 days off/weekends off/1 and 2 day trips and still kept my 75 hr guarantee. Anything I picked up that month was paid on top of the 75 hrs at the applicable red flag rate. Again, with your system will I be able to improve my schedule like this?

If pbs can do this and more for us at xjt I'm sure we will consider voting for it. Proving to us it will be better than what we have will be difficult though.

Once ASA starts building your trips, you're not going to have 2 days and 1 days or 3 days to turn your 4 days into. They just won't exist. You're going to just have more 4 days.

 

[Clutch]

Once ASA starts building your trips, you're not going to have 2 days and 1 days or 3 days to turn your 4 days into. They just won't exist. You're going to just have more 4 days.

You forgot to mention that trading trips out of open time is very rarely approved these days..

Welcome to ASA, guys.

 

[Fishpaw]

Once ASA starts building your trips, you're not going to have 2 days and 1 days or 3 days to turn your 4 days into. They just won't exist. You're going to just have more 4 days.

We don't currently have 1 and 2 day trips. Pretty much all 4 days and standups on the initial line awards. The day trips and 2 days end up in open time when other pilots have conflicts and their trip gets broken up. Once in open time we can trade for these trips.

 

[Fishpaw]

You forgot to mention that trading trips out of open time is very rarely approved these days..

Welcome to ASA, guys.

That's the point of my post. Why would xjt pilots vote for something that isn't as good or better than what we already have?

Welcome to the XJT contract.

 

[Clutch]

That's the point of my post. Why would xjt pilots vote for something that isn't as good or better than what we already have?

Welcome to the XJT contract.

I'm all for your contract, but I like our PBS.

 

[Fishpaw]

I'm all for your contract, but I like our PBS.

PBS is a dirty word at xjt but maybe if the TA includes enough improvements over our current contract our pilot's will go for it.

 

[ZONA]

At least you guys get to see your crappy schedules.

 

[blesko]

At least you guys get to see your crappy schedules.

geeus tapdancing christ no kidding. Its being rerun for our pleasure....Is it true the XJT pilots already have their final august schedules??

 

[Fishpaw]

geeus tapdancing christ no kidding. Its being rerun for our pleasure....Is it true the XJT pilots already have their final august schedules??

65%ish (hard line holders) get their schedules in the first week of the month and then get to trip trade to improve it in the Initial Line Improvement Window around the 15th. The rest of the pilots get their schedules just prior to the last week of the month.

 

[CaribPilot]

No, he's not incorrect. You still need to build yourself up to 75 hours, and if you are not senior enough to get that in 2 high credit trips then you did not bid properly. The bottom of the window is 65, but it will try to get you to 75.

Also, how senior are you in your seat?

No he IS wrong. I did not bid properly? Wtf?!?

I purposely have an extra "last stand" bid sheet that has nothing on it but "Bid all pairings before reserve" & "allow single days off"....How in the name of Sure deodorant did i not bid properly???? I put this info in the first post...did you not even read the first post in this thread?

That's a rhetorical question...don't waste your time trying to answer it. I DID bid correctly...the system has a major flaw...my seniority got donkey punched...end of story.

 

[ace6453]

No he IS wrong. I did not bid properly? Wtf?!?

I purposely have an extra "last stand" bid sheet that has nothing on it but "Bid all pairings before reserve" & "allow single days off"....How in the name of Sure deodorant did i not bid properly???? I put this info in the first post...did you not even read the first post in this thread?

That's a rhetorical question...don't waste your time trying to answer it. I DID bid correctly...the system has a major flaw...my seniority got donkey punched...end of story.

Did the guys junior to you that got a line have vacation? Do you have a training event in August? BTW, you should have 3 bidsheets, there's no reason not to use all 3.

 

[Max Q]

CaribPilot, what's this I hear about you getting awarded reserve? Did you not bid all remaining pairings before reserve?

 

[Tailwind]

I had vacation in July, only needed two 4 day trips and I was FORCED on reserve. Went to the ALPA office directly to see if I messed up my bid somehow. I was told I did NOT mess up my bid, but that I was FORCED on reserve because I was so junior and for July reserve was required to be at least 12%. I said WTF
?!? And it was explained to me that 7 other pilots senior to me were ALSO forced on reserve because the min reserve percentage starts at the bottom of the seniority list and works upward. It doesn't matter if you have 70 credits BEFORE the bid and only need 5, if you are in the bottom 12% you are getting reserve.