So ASA's PBS Couldn't Build Me A Schedule...It Dumps Me On Reserve...WTF

[Noise]

Master Shake,

The one thing you need to realize about ASA is that all these guys talk hardball, just to cave for continued 1 percent raises during our past negotiations. If we get half as much participation in flying safe as compared to the outroar over some stupid name change, I would be really surprised. Sorry but you will be stuck with PBS. It is what it is. The company will not spend millions to implement a PBS system just to let it go in contract negotiations.

 

[Whydoitry]

Then there just won't be a joint contract.

 

[COOPERVANE]

Then there just won't be a joint contract.

After hearing about the negotiations progress, I think it'll take years ANYWAY. You'll be a Delta captain before this thing gets TA'd

 

[JoeMerchant]

Then there just won't be a joint contract.

Fine with me.

 

[CaribPilot]

Im sick of this bullsh*t. Reserve again but guys junior to me getting lines because they have vacation and pre-assigned credits.

Seniority MEANS NOTHING IN MY LIFE RIGHT NOW.

This is grade A horsesh*t...the green mushy kind that smells like death on fire.

SMFH...










*Updates Times on Resumes...looks forward to future*

 

[CaribPilot]

The second to last guy on the airplane got a line LOL.

How the F&*K DOES THIS MAKE ANY SENSE?????? This is laughably stupid FML

 

[CaribPilot]

Im sick of this bullsh*t. Reserve again but guys junior to me getting lines because they have vacation and pre-assigned credits.

Seniority MEANS NOTHING IN MY LIFE RIGHT NOW.

This is grade A horsesh*t...the green mushy kind that smells like death on fire.

SMFH...










*Updates Times on Resumes...looks forward to future*

:angryfire

Alright im done....off to find adult beverages.

 

[Flyguy1226]

You are not bidding correctly.

 

[Fubijaakr]

You are not bidding correctly.

Sounds like it.

 

[CaribPilot]

Nope...had a rep check it. I did bid correctly.

The system is flawed...end of story.

 

[Jackie Moon]

I have had it happen to me when I have selected to award all parings before reserve. What happens is towards the bottom of the list all the pairings left can conflict so that only three can be awarded on any line. If they are all 20 hour four days that adds up to 60 hours which won't complete a schedule. The last 10 guys might all get reserve while the most junior guy has vacation so he only needs to get to 65. Two parings plus the vacation credit and he is done. If we keep pbs we need to have a rule that says if you bid to accept any paring before reserve no one junior to you can have a line while you are on reserve. Under line bidding if you were 65 on the list and there were 65 lines you would get one. Not now.

 

[Tailwind]

That is not accurate. As explained in the ALPA office, if the company wants 30 reserves for a particular seat and you are #30 from the bottom...you will get reserve. It doesn't matter if you have 80 hours of credit BEFORE the bid. You will be "forced on reserve". I think that is unfair. PBS was sold to us to turn one week of VAC into 2 or more. We were never told that was not the case for the bottom "%" on reserve.
If someone has concrete evidence to the contrary...by all means speak up.

 

[Plainsman]

I for one will be glad it is done when expressjet votes it out. Poor product no matter who has control of trip construction. Too many gotchas on this. Only people who really understand pbs are the kind of guys who play Dungeons and Dragons and see Harry Potter in full nerd regalia.

 

[Cpt Oveur]

I for one will be glad it is done when expressjet votes it out. Poor product no matter who has control of trip construction. Too many gotchas on this. Only people who really understand pbs are the kind of guys who play Dungeons and Dragons and see Harry Potter in full nerd regalia.

PBS and pairing construction are not the same problem. We don't need go change PBS, we need improvements to pairings

 

[centralpilot]

Only people who really understand pbs are the kind of guys who play Dungeons and Dragons and see Harry Potter in full nerd regalia.

The people who really understand PBS enjoy having great schedules and took the time to learn how the award logic works. It isn't that hard. My QOL has improved significantly with the schedule control I now enjoy. If that makes me a "nerd" so be it. The nerds have better trips and more days off than you.

 

[enuffalready]

The people who really understand PBS enjoy having great schedules and took the time to learn how the award logic works. It isn't that hard. My QOL has improved significantly with the schedule control I now enjoy. If that makes me a "nerd" so be it. The nerds have better trips and more days off than you.

I have never had the schedule nor QOL that i now have under PBS. I took the time to learn it, sat with reps, even had them check my bidding for a few months to make sure I was doing it correctly. Count me in a one that loves PBS.

 

[flyjen30]

It's too complicated. It's not a matter of dumb or smart. Why does the bidding process have to be so frustrating. It's ridiculous. We should have a much more fail proof system that doesn't take numerous tedious tutorials to learn how to use it. We work so much for this poorly managed company, why can't something that decides our quality of life be simple and less time consuming. As it is, this company denies every swap, works us until we are so tired that the few days off we have, we are resting up just to go back to the cluster f. This PBS system is a mess. Of course some some of you are getting what you want. You have to look across the board and see that many pilots are simply getting screwed. Waiting until the end of the month to know your schedule is unacceptable. Most of the people I work with have lives outside of this despicable place. Most people want to be treated like a professional. Expressjet pilots seem to have some sensibilities we are lacking at ASA. I hope the Expressjet pilots vote down this PBS system. Senior pilots that have worked very hard for the right to have a decent schedule should not be put on reserve and very junior pilots especially those at the bottom of the list should not be holding lines. Wtf! We all pay or dues. Vacations are just a small part of the whole picture. So you might get more, you might not. It's the daily grind that needs to be addressed. PBS is a failure.

 

[Jackie Moon]

That is not accurate. As explained in the ALPA office, if the company wants 30 reserves for a particular seat and you are #30 from the bottom...you will get reserve. It doesn't matter if you have 80 hours of credit BEFORE the bid. You will be "forced on reserve". I think that is unfair. PBS was sold to us to turn one week of VAC into 2 or more. We were never told that was not the case for the bottom "%" on reserve.
If someone has concrete evidence to the contrary...by all means speak up.

Not true. There will be 30 reserves but it doesn't mean they will be the 30 most junior pilots. It has happened to me so I know this for a fact. If the window is 85 and you can't get to it with the trips left you are on reserve. If someone junior to you has carry over or training or vacation that allows them to get to the window they will get a line. If they want 10 reserves they will get 10 but they don't have to be the most junior pilots. The union can say what they want but it has happened to me. Look at the awards. There is always someone in the middle of the pack of reserve pilots who has a line.

 

[Fishpaw]

ASA pilots who like pbs: you're not making a strong case. Of the 100 or so XJT pilots I've asked about pbs in the last year, only 1 said they would vote yes for it. Just look at this thread, it's not worth the risk. I'm sure the union will sell us a system that is supposed to be as good or better than what we have now, but it doesn't seem like that worked out too well for the majority of your pilots. Why don't we just vote on pbs now so the union will know whether or not to keep wasting all of our time discussing it?

 

[Cpt Oveur]

ASA pilots who like pbs: you're not making a strong case. Of the 100 or so XJT pilots I've asked about pbs in the last year, only 1 said they would vote yes for it. Just look at this thread, it's not worth the risk. I'm sure the union will sell us a system that is supposed to be as good or better than what we have now, but it doesn't seem like that worked out too well for the majority of your pilots. Why don't we just vote on pbs now so the union will know whether or not to keep wasting all of our time discussing it?

Of the 100 pilots at ExpressJet, I'm willing to bet none of them know the difference between what ASA has and what Continental has. PBS is entirely tailored to each company. You might as well as if you like line bidding at one company or another.