So ASA's PBS Couldn't Build Me A Schedule...It Dumps Me On Reserve...WTF

[Freebrd]

hey if u leave and go to DAL or just about any other, guess what? Yep they have PBS too!

 

[crazy8]

hey if u leave and go to DAL or just about any other, guess what? Yep they have PBS too!

Yeah....but at least they get paid well to deal with it.

 

[Freebrd]

Yeah....but at least they get paid well to deal with it.

true dat!

 

[JoeMerchant]

Yeah....but at least they get paid well to deal with it.

How do you define "well"?

 

[wt219200]

How do you define "well"?

Better than you ever will, with much more job security.

 

[Freebrd]

Better than you ever will, with much more job security.

touche!

 

[JumpersAway]

hey if u leave and go to DAL or just about any other, guess what? Yep they have PBS too!

...........................and much better starting points within their CBA to deal with it, in terms of both the line holder AND reserve QOL.

 

[Speedtape]

I have TWO bid sheets...

The first one with 30 something preferences of fancy stuff that i want. The second one only has "Allow single days off", "Select all pairings before Reserve line etc"

And it STILL couldn't build me a line!!! WTFFFFFFFFFFFFF

So it dumps me back to reserve...and awards 7 guys junior to me a line.

Somebody please tell me how the FORK this is fair? I'm so close to throwing my monitor out the damn window. :angryfire

What's your bidding seniority within your position? It's simple math, if you can't bid and be awarded enough credit to get into the window--then you go to Reserve. The pairings awarded to anyone below you, were first available to you! It sounds like you are on the bubble and maybe had no pre-assigned credits to subsidize an award. You have too much juniority!

 

[Speedtape]

Better than you ever will, with much more job security.

And that leaves you where?

 

[Speedtape]

Joe, The XJT pilots are cheaper per block hour than ASA because we are more efficient over here. It is not necessarily just because of our bidding system but our pairing building as well. You have restrictive contract language (ex: minimum amount of 3 day trips) that help restrict your productivity. Even with higher average W2s over at XJT, we cost the company less per flight than the pilots over at ASA. Perhaps ASA pilots need to become more productive to help the company get back to in the black? Depending on the language, PBS might actually increase our costs at XJT. I am not a huge fan of line bidding, so I am willing to vote for the right PBS system but lets not throw out BS about how XJT pilots are too expensive.

The number I heard was $45 an hour cheaper fyi and it did not come from anyone in ALPA.

The block hour costs are a little cheaper at XJet, not because of anything the pilots does differently or more of, but because of pairing length. Actually, the comparisons to date have included apples and oranges. If you compare 50 seater to 50 seater, the block hour costs are very close. The difference is stage length. The average stage length at ASA is about 1:15 minutes compared to something much larger at XJet. These scenarios are driven by the block hours that we are given from Delta versus Continental. Longer legs will drive block hour costs down. Neither of our groups have any control over that.

Pairing productivity is where it's at also. Soon, ASA pairings will be built with the same software as XJet. This will only help close the gap, but with the leg lengths being longer at XJet, there will still be some disparity.

 

[CaribPilot]

you are obviously doing something wrong....but you are apparently from the "me" generation that consistently blames everyone else for their lack of ability.....so, I hate PBS too! there! does that help?...lololol

PBS builds schedules based on how easy it is to combine pairings up to the minimum threshold credit, rendering seniority useless near where PBS starts awarding reserve.

I have not been doing anything wrong at all.

You don't even know how PBS works, yet you try to throw criticism. LOL @ how ignorant you look. You are probably the type to vote in a new contract or new bidding system without knowing anything about it, Because clearly your knowledge of PBS is absent.

 

[Speedtape]

PBS builds schedules based on how easy it is to combine pairings up to the minimum threshold credit, rendering seniority useless near where PBS starts awarding reserve.

Seniority always matters and is not useless unless you are the most junior pilot. Only then might seniority be useless. Even most pilots who are awarded Reserve, can still use seniority to bid their GDOs and on-call periods.

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Seniority always matters and governs most things we do in this profession.

 

[CaribPilot]

Seniority always matters and governs most things we do in this profession.

O really...then explain how someone many years junior is awarded a line.

Yes i know how PBS works....i couldn't be awarded enough pairings to get into the minimum line value...but the guys junior to me could because they had pre-assigned credits...where's my seniority in that case?

 

[Freebrd]

lol give it up dude, admit it, you don't know what you're doing.

 

[Clutch]

O really...then explain how someone many years junior is awarded a line.

Yes i know how PBS works....i couldn't be awarded enough pairings to get into the minimum line value...but the guys junior to me could because they had pre-assigned credits...where's my seniority in that case?

Many years? Stop exaggerating

 

[CaribPilot]

lol give it up dude, admit it, you don't know what you're doing.

Nope, you are just not intelligent enough to see what really is happening. Reserves and junior folk continue to get thrown underneath the bus at this company, and ignorant pilots like you make it worse.

Many years? Stop exaggerating

3 years is not many? I know captains where guys 5 years junior are getting lines before them.

But that is beside the point, seniority being tossed aside is the problem.

 

[CaribPilot]

Its truly amazing how many of our pilots are completely ignorant of how PBS awards pairings. Punch yourselves in the face.

 

[Freebrd]

I'm happy with the way I bid, and usually get most of what I bid, but it appears that you're the ignorant one, or else you're doing a GL/Oys on here just to get a rise

 

[CaribPilot]

I'm happy with the way I bid, and usually get most of what I bid, but it appears that you're the ignorant one, or else you're doing a GL/Oys on here just to get a rise

Yea of course..I I I...me me me...Ignorant and selfish. Just because it works for YOU at YOUR seniority, DOES NOT MEAN IT WORKS FOR EVERYBODY ELSE.

Have you not been reading anything anybody else has posted in here? Or you just come in here for laughs? If you read...you actually might learn something...reading is fundamental.

Other people have confirmed what i said...that this is what happens when PBS starts awarding reserve. Go look at the awards and report back here what you find. You will see that the last few people to get a line are staggered. You will find a few people with reserve then one with a line, and that pattern repeated.

With line bidding i was able to predict exactly what line i would get...with PBS i cannot because at the break even point between lines and reserve...it awards pilots lines based on pre-assigned credit & how easy it is to get that said pilot into the minimum credit window...it is not based on seniority.

 

[bigshooter107]

PBS builds schedules based on how easy it is to combine pairings up to the minimum threshold credit, rendering seniority useless near where PBS starts awarding reserve.

I have not been doing anything wrong at all.

You don't even know how PBS works, yet you try to throw criticism. LOL @ how ignorant you look. You are probably the type to vote in a new contract or new bidding system without knowing anything about it, Because clearly your knowledge of PBS is absent.

If there are enough pairings left to build u a line, PBS will do so. If not the system will move to the next pilot with pre existing credit an attempt to build them a schedule. It will not take a full "line" of pairings from u and build a schedule for a guy with vacation or training. Do u want the system to skip the junior guy to u that has credits on principle? If u are on the cusp of getting a schedule every month u would be father away from a line without PBS, I think everyone would agree there are more"schedules" in a month with PBS. If u find that some how a junior guy got enough pairings to build a full legal schedule then either u bid wrong, or there was an error that u need to bring to apla. Most months there are block of "open" pairings in certain weeks that prevent a full schedule to be built. For example 5 pairings on the 2nd week and the 4th week. That's when the pre assigned credit "lines" are built. Call one of the guys that build the PBS schedules every month and I'm sure they would be happy for u to sit in on a day toward the end of the bid period and see how things work, they do a great job and it's kinda of neat to check out.