So ASA's PBS Couldn't Build Me A Schedule...It Dumps Me On Reserve...WTF

[CaribPilot]

I have TWO bid sheets...

The first one with 30 something preferences of fancy stuff that i want. The second one only has "Allow single days off", "Select all pairings before Reserve line etc"

And it STILL couldn't build me a line!!! WTFFFFFFFFFFFFF

So it dumps me back to reserve...and awards 7 guys junior to me a line.

Somebody please tell me how the FORK this is fair? I'm so close to throwing my monitor out the damn window. :angryfire

 

[Dannone]

I got an extra 4 day with vacation?? I thought all you needed was 2 4 days and 65 hours??

 

[LAB727]

Second bid sheet

Preference 8)
Select : Al l pairings before Reserve Line R706 , R707 , R709 , R710 , R708 , R701
32 Awarded to Senior Bidder
7 Available
1 Lines Awarded to Senior Bidder​

6 Lines Available

Does this mean I should have held a line?? Lots of open time and three people junior to me held lines, although they all had vacation.

 

[CX880]

Who cares

 

[centralpilot]

I got an extra 4 day with vacation?? I thought all you needed was 2 4 days and 65 hours??

65 hours is all you need, but you have to bid very carefully so that once you have those 2 4-days, every remaining pairing on the bid sheet conflicts and can't be awarded. The bottom of the credit window is 65, but the system is still trying to get you to 75 hours. If it tries all pairings on a bid sheet and still can't get to 75, but is above 65, then the schedule is complete. If there is any way to fit 3 4-days based on what you bid, it'll find it. If "All remaining pairings" is on the bid sheet you'll be screwed, so you need at least 2 bid sheets to keep that off the first one.

My strategy: bid 4-days trips based on specific start dates only, say Aug 2nd and 9th for example. If I don't think that'll be enough options, I'd then bid trips starting one day forward (3rd, 10th) or backward (1st, 8th). That gives me many pairings on the bid sheet, but once one is awarded in each week the remaining trips can't be awarded because they overlap. Copy bid sheet to get "all remaining pairings" off the first one and possibly use bid sheet 2 for an alternate bid strategy. YMMV.

 

[Plainsman]

bullshat. This is not good. The credit should have been lowered by 5hours at least.

 

[Gulf-front]

I'm in the same boat, lost my line to 1:40 under 86. Hello RES!!!!!!!

 

[JoeMerchant]

It's all about understanding the system....Kinda like income taxes....Learn the system or suffer the consequences...

 

[Intl Jumper]

You guys on the 50 or 70/90?

 

[Freeze]

I have TWO bid sheets...

The first one with 30 something preferences of fancy stuff that i want. The second one only has "Allow single days off", "Select all pairings before Reserve line etc"

And it STILL couldn't build me a line!!! WTFFFFFFFFFFFFF

So it dumps me back to reserve...and awards 7 guys junior to me a line.

Somebody please tell me how the FORK this is fair? I'm so close to throwing my monitor out the damn window. :angryfire

Sounds like you are on the bubble of holding a line and reserve. Juniority can be a serious problem in any bidding system. There is probably more to your story.

 

[CaribPilot]

It's all about understanding the system....Kinda like income taxes....Learn the system or suffer the consequences...

You're implying that somehow i made a mistake by my lack of knowledge of the system. You are incorrect.

 

[russtgol]

who cares

x2......

 

[PooPooPants]

I admit, I voted for PureBull********************, but I was wrong. I was led to believe 75 hours was the norm but but for the 4th consecutive month I've been forced to bid 89 hours. I understand it's summer but with line bidding we still had 70 hr lines in the summer.

 

[Plainsman]

Not to worry it will go by the wayside in a while. Expressjet guys don't drink the koolaid as much.

 

[enuffalready]

I have been VERY happy with PBS. Sounds like this is more the vocal minority, as 90% of the people I have spoken to about PBS like it.

 

[PooPooPants]

I hope not

 

[Data]

Not to worry it will go by the wayside in a while. Expressjet guys don't drink the koolaid as much.

That will show 'em! Then the company builds the pairings and the lines! I can't wait to hear the b1tching then. Or, we could use the joint contract to make the improvements needed to PBS so that it works better for both parties.

 

[Jackie Moon]

I also ended up on reserve while people junior to me got lines. I had 4 days of training that conflicted with all of the trips that were left over that week. the low credit for training and the high credit window put me on reserve. I had select all remaining pairings and allow single days off. does this mean every year when i have training durring the high credit summer months I will get reserve? Never would have happened under line bidding.

 

[COOPERVANE]

Mission accomplished.

If you get screwed, your fellow "brothers" tell you to "learn how to bid". That is sometimes the reason but not always.

In the past you would have simply had 3 crappy 4 days and a 4 day training event. Now you get reserve. Congrats to the company. You got what you needed.

Unfortunately our mgmt can't "manage" their way out of a paper bag. Our labor costs have SKYROCKETED since implementation of PBS. The opposite effect they wanted. I GUARANTEE they will come after vacation low and then all you cheerleaders will see what the rest of us are talking about.

 

[doh]

Who cares

Well then DS, if you don't care, don't read the thread. GYFS.