SkyWest Pay Proposal Passes

[MarineGrunt]

^Ditto^

 

[pgcfii2002]

"It really doesn't matter if you win an arguement here, you're still retarded."

 

[HelloNewman]

Coopervane, Please don't think Newman is speaking for all of us...Some of us are trying hard to talk some sense into him and others like him(unfortunatly, we seem to have hired a lot like him in the last 24 months) With him and those like him, it's all about them and the heck with everyone else. They don't seem to "get it", and sadly I don't think they ever will. Best of luck to all of you with your real contract, and just know that many of us are behind you all the way!

I don't profess to speak for the pilot group at all. Just calling things the way I see it. I don't know what your trying me make me or others "get" but we get things just fine for ourselves. We realize that this industry isn't totally out of the crapper yet. Until our major partners are all healthy and out of BK we aren't outta the woods yet. This is why we take this deal, wait to see what other pilot groups get and then take another deal. They know they won't be able to get away with the low raise/over ride forever. Eventually time will pass and we will all have better raises. The only difference is ours will be bigger if we do not vote in the union. For me it is strictly a buisness decision. Nothing personal against the union or the other pilot groups, just buisness. We are after all in it to make as much money as we can. You have to look at these things as a buisness transaction and take nothing personal in this buisness.

 

[PCL_128]

This is why we take this deal, wait to see what other pilot groups get and then take another deal.

There you have it folks!!! He wants you to do all of the hard work for him. He doesn't want to put forth any effort, money, or other resources to advance this profession. He wants all of us to do it, then he'll reap the benefits himself.

This is why we need to do everything possible to organize the Skywest pilot group. We can't allow this selfish mentality to continue.

 

[800Dog]

Now what the hell is everyone gonna bitch about now?????????????????

How about 5 in a row. War Eagle!!

 

[SSDD]

You know, sometimes I think that Newman posts just to get people worked up. But then I read some of this stuff and its like, WOW, unreal. Its amazing. This guy(or girl) is a functioning moron!

He's totally clueless about the airline industry, Skywest, life in general. One can't expect to act like he does and then reap the benefits sometime later. We don't operate in a vacumm(sp). Whether we like ALPA or not, the things that we do affect everyone in the industry.

I know nothing I post here is going to change his mind, but man...



VOTED NO

 

[Gr82Aviate]

I don't profess to speak for the pilot group at all. Just calling things the way I see it. I don't know what your trying me make me or others "get" but we get things just fine for ourselves. We realize that this industry isn't totally out of the crapper yet. Until our major partners are all healthy and out of BK we aren't outta the woods yet. This is why we take this deal, wait to see what other pilot groups get and then take another deal. They know they won't be able to get away with the low raise/over ride forever. Eventually time will pass and we will all have better raises. The only difference is ours will be bigger if we do not vote in the union. For me it is strictly a buisness decision. Nothing personal against the union or the other pilot groups, just buisness. We are after all in it to make as much money as we can. You have to look at these things as a buisness transaction and take nothing personal in this buisness.

I see what you're saying...we couldn't possibly expect to get a fair pay offer that at least keeps us even with the cost of living, let alone a real raise because even though our company is doing fantastic and making huge profits(they have almost as much cash in the bank again as before they bought ASA with the money we helped them make), they need to make even more money. As well as every major we feed and the ones we might or might not have bids in to do flying for??? ARE YOU FOR REAL?

 

[ERJFO]

I don't profess to speak for the pilot group at all. Just calling things the way I see it. I don't know what your trying me make me or others "get" but we get things just fine for ourselves. We realize that this industry isn't totally out of the crapper yet. Until our major partners are all healthy and out of BK we aren't outta the woods yet. This is why we take this deal, wait to see what other pilot groups get and then take another deal. They know they won't be able to get away with the low raise/over ride forever. Eventually time will pass and we will all have better raises. The only difference is ours will be bigger if we do not vote in the union. For me it is strictly a buisness decision. Nothing personal against the union or the other pilot groups, just buisness. We are after all in it to make as much money as we can. You have to look at these things as a buisness transaction and take nothing personal in this buisness.

What other pilot groups? Like Comair and ASA. Maybe you F$*KS should demand their contracts or more and stop lowering the bar. If you did this they wouldn't have to take paycuts just to keep their jobs? You think their airplanes are being flown by you're crews because you have it better? Think agian, you obviously know nothing about business because you are looking at ALPA as an expense not an insurance policy and a tool to net you larger income. Your post is the problem with this job. Your post is the reason Comair wants concessions, your post is the reason Aloha is going to have lay people off, your post is the reason upgrade times at companies like Horizon and Eagle are through the roof, your post is the reason MESA and CHQ fly for 5 different airlines. The SkyWest pilots are in a position to make things better for all regional pilots if they put thier foot down. You said you were in this to make more money, if no one flew another CRJ-700 for Delta untill you were paid as well or better than ASA or Comair you would make more money. I don't know how to stop, you post makes me sick. Stop being the problem, be the change man.

WWW.SKYWESTALPA.ORG

 

[COOPERVANE]

Hellonewman HAS to be flamebait. No one could be that stupid/shortsighted. If he is not alone, I have totally lost faith in the next generation.




*Hint read "The Greatest Generation" I am in awe of them. Some of those guys FOUNDED this profession. I think Hellonewman and other Gen-xers will simply laugh at them for being so selfless....

 

[HelloNewman]

What other pilot groups? Like Comair and ASA. Maybe you F$*KS should demand their contracts or more and stop lowering the bar. If you did this they wouldn't have to take paycuts just to keep their jobs? You think their airplanes are being flown by you're crews because you have it better? Think agian, you obviously know nothing about business because you are looking at ALPA as an expense not an insurance policy and a tool to net you larger income. Your post is the problem with this job. Your post is the reason Comair wants concessions, your post is the reason Aloha is going to have lay people off, your post is the reason upgrade times at companies like Horizon and Eagle are through the roof, your post is the reason MESA and CHQ fly for 5 different airlines. The SkyWest pilots are in a position to make things better for all regional pilots if they put thier foot down. You said you were in this to make more money, if no one flew another CRJ-700 for Delta untill you were paid as well or better than ASA or Comair you would make more money. I don't know how to stop, you post makes me sick. Stop being the problem, be the change man.

WWW.SKYWESTALPA.ORG

I do not think I am part of the problem nor part of the solution. I am here for one thing and one thing only. I am here to make a good living flying for the company. The outside factors do not interest me so much. My main goal is to see all pilot groups florish. I do not rely on any other pilot group to make more or less than us. In the end though we all pass judgement it really isn't our buisness what people at other airlines are making. I have made comparisons myself however I realize now that what another man makes is none of my buisness. The ultimate goal here is to have a long career making good money until age 60.

It would be nice to make it to a major but getting thousands of hrs of RJ PIC doesn't equal what it used to. I wouldn't mind having a career at SkyWest either. I also have backup plans to go and finish law school if this career does not work out in the long run. A large key to making your regional airline prosper and stay around another 35 years is being able to stay competitive so you can land the big contracts. This is why I have no problem taking small increments to achieving our goals. Instead of one big raise why not spread it out with COLA added on the next one. I am pretty sure at some point ASA will get a good contract. Bush won't be in office forever. As airlines get stronger we all gain more leverage.

 

[Nightrain_080]

Hellonewman HAS to be flamebait. No one could be that stupid/shortsighted. If he is not alone, I have totally lost faith in the next generation.




*Hint read "The Greatest Generation" I am in awe of them. Some of those guys FOUNDED this profession. I think Hellonewman and other Gen-xers will simply laugh at them for being so selfless....

Best Post of the Thread.

 

[theskyking]

I also have backup plans to go and finish law school if this career does not work out in the long run. [end quote]


Newman, Newman, Newman...

You sound like you would make a good lawyer. Able to turn an argument on its head and confound the issues with pseudo facts. I can see you up there now, "If the contract don't fit, you must acquit!!!"


Newman, as an ex-Skywester, shut up. You're embarrassing me and the rest of the pilot group. If you want to make a stand about getting all you can before you vote for a union, then that would be understandable. But to say that this is the best you can do until somebody else does something better is ludicrous. There are already better pay scales out there. Why shouldn't you be able to demand more. Are you not worth it? And if not, then why will you be worth it later?

Stop being so grateful for a job, and demand what you are worth. Take some pride in yourself.

 

[embdrvr]

I also have backup plans to go and finish law school if this career does not work out in the long run.

I am pretty sure at some point ASA will get a good contract. Bush won't be in office forever. As airlines get stronger we all gain more leverage.

Look you fukking moron. Go to law school. You're perfect. They accept retarded dipshiits like you all the time.

Tell you what. We'll even take up a collection to buy your books for the first semester. Eventually we'll out your true identity on here and you'll almost be forced to slink off into a corner. You're an embarassment to your colleagues and the profession in general.

Why are you so sure ASA will get a good contract? By voting yes on the POS you made the ASA negotiators jobs much more difficult.

Retard. Just a fricking retard. Enjoy winter in ORD fukkface.

 

[Rekks Inbound]

HelloNewman,

You are one lazy son-of-a-bitch. I feel sorry for the Captains who have to fly with you. Single pilot in an RJ on fire would be preferable.

Peace.

Rekks.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

I do not think I am part of the problem nor part of the solution. I am here for one thing and one thing only. I am here to make a good living flying for the company. The outside factors do not interest me so much. My main goal is to see all pilot groups florish. I do not rely on any other pilot group to make more or less than us. In the end though we all pass judgement it really isn't our buisness what people at other airlines are making. I have made comparisons myself however I realize now that what another man makes is none of my buisness. The ultimate goal here is to have a long career making good money until age 60.

It would be nice to make it to a major but getting thousands of hrs of RJ PIC doesn't equal what it used to. I wouldn't mind having a career at SkyWest either. I also have backup plans to go and finish law school if this career does not work out in the long run. A large key to making your regional airline prosper and stay around another 35 years is being able to stay competitive so you can land the big contracts. This is why I have no problem taking small increments to achieving our goals. Instead of one big raise why not spread it out with COLA added on the next one. I am pretty sure at some point ASA will get a good contract. Bush won't be in office forever. As airlines get stronger we all gain more leverage.

Hey there problem...I mean Newman. Do all of us a favor and go to law school. I really doubt you'll be able to pass the bar exam, but if you do maybe you can go work for J.O. and try and help him or others like him keep beating down their pilot groups!

 

[ArcticFlier]

This sounds like a dynamic versus static argument. Hellonewman prefers a static argument (nothing that happens in this industry affects others). I (and most here) see that this is a dynamic (all things affect all groups)industry, and try to do things that help others. It's too bad we have people like him in this industry. Selfish. Very selfish. You can look out for yourself as well as others at the same time. He/she doesn't seem to give a rip outside of his own little sphere.


AF

 

[Morning Wood]

What other pilot groups? Like Comair and ASA. Maybe you F$*KS should demand their contracts or more and stop lowering the bar. If you did this they wouldn't have to take paycuts just to keep their jobs? You think their airplanes are being flown by you're crews because you have it better? Think agian, you obviously know nothing about business because you are looking at ALPA as an expense not an insurance policy and a tool to net you larger income. Your post is the problem with this job. Your post is the reason Comair wants concessions, your post is the reason Aloha is going to have lay people off, your post is the reason upgrade times at companies like Horizon and Eagle are through the roof, your post is the reason MESA and CHQ fly for 5 different airlines. The SkyWest pilots are in a position to make things better for all regional pilots if they put thier foot down. You said you were in this to make more money, if no one flew another CRJ-700 for Delta untill you were paid as well or better than ASA or Comair you would make more money. I don't know how to stop, you post makes me sick. Stop being the problem, be the change man.

WWW.SKYWESTALPA.ORG

So Horizon and Eagle's upgrades are what they are because of SkyWest? All I hear is how much Horizon gets paid and how great their 401K is. How many AA furloughs are flying for Eagle and slowed down upgrade and caused Eagle furloughs? That didn't have a thing to do with SkyWest.

Refuse to fly the Delta 700's? ASA can't get a contract after 4 years. SkyWest's pilots can just refuse to fly, without a binding contract, and make it better for the whole regional industry? Right.

 

[007]

So Horizon and Eagle's upgrades are what they are because of SkyWest? All I hear is how much Horizon gets paid and how great their 401K is. How many AA furloughs are flying for Eagle and slowed down upgrade and caused Eagle furloughs? That didn't have a thing to do with SkyWest.

Refuse to fly the Delta 700's? ASA can't get a contract after 4 years. SkyWest's pilots can just refuse to fly, without a binding contract, and make it better for the whole regional industry? Right.

Read the post, that's not what he said......

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Agree 100% The ALPA drive has a very slim chance of success when over 750 pilots failed to vote either way on this pay proposal. I don't get it, how hard was it to vote?

Not saying I agree, but a lot of guys here felt the offer was so bad they didn't want to dignify it by voting...I thought it was a cr@p offer, but that a no vote was better than not voting(I'm not really sure how it would really be best to get management to see just how unfair and pathetic their "offer" was)?

 

[relief tube]

if the math is right, then that's right between Low Mesa (SKY is $3 more) and RAH (SKYW is $3 less).

So 4 months from now, at the bargaining table, I can see JO saying, well right now we're close enough to SKYW, and BB saying..no raise..look at SKYW.

Who the hell voted yes for this? Companies making a hundred some-odd mil a year, you shoulda gone for an EMB raise AND at least a %10 raise.

At least be in line with RAH's 70 seats...those guys get made fun enough...guess SKYW deserves more grief.

 

[HelloNewman]

if the math is right, then that's right between Low Mesa (SKY is $3 more) and RAH (SKYW is $3 less).

So 4 months from now, at the bargaining table, I can see JO saying, well right now we're close enough to SKYW, and BB saying..no raise..look at SKYW.

Who the hell voted yes for this? Companies making a hundred some-odd mil a year, you shoulda gone for an EMB raise AND at least a %10 raise.

At least be in line with RAH's 70 seats...those guys get made fun enough...guess SKYW deserves more grief.

I voted yes and I do not worry about what the industry thinks of us. You can't go through life trying to please everyone because well it simply is not possible. Negotiating a contract is a personal process that does not need outside interferance or monday morning quarterbacking. Each pilot group gets the best deal they can, votes on it and the rest is history. JO can use our rates all he wants but in the end it is up to Mesa guys to get the best deal they can using all available tools. They spend 2% of their paycheck every month so I would certainly hope they can get a better deal this time around.

I am content to sit back, relax and not have to worry about these things. We have a deal til 2010 and it looks like clear skies ahead. I believe we will get another raise before then. It just takes patience to wait and see what other pilot groups get first. Once other regional contracts start getting completed we can begin the process of seeing just how big our next raise can be. The industry is on its way back up from the crapper. Either way I can assure you SkyWest will never be at the bottom of the industry. We may not be at the top of the payscale but as long as it is a good livable wage I am more than happy to be sitting where I am right now.

 

[Junkflyer]

Your next raise will be...................1 %!!!

 

[BoilerUP]

I voted yes and I do not worry about what the industry thinks of us. You can't go through life trying to please everyone because well it simply is not possible. Negotiating a contract is a personal process that does not need outside interferance or monday morning quarterbacking. Each pilot group gets the best deal they can, votes on it and the rest is history. JO can use our rates all he wants but in the end it is up to Mesa guys to get the best deal they can using all available tools. They spend 2% of their paycheck every month so I would certainly hope they can get a better deal this time around.

I am content to sit back, relax and not have to worry about these things. We have a deal til 2010 and it looks like clear skies ahead. I believe we will get another raise before then. It just takes patience to wait and see what other pilot groups get first. Once other regional contracts start getting completed we can begin the process of seeing just how big our next raise can be. The industry is on its way back up from the crapper. Either way I can assure you SkyWest will never be at the bottom of the industry. We may not be at the top of the payscale but as long as it is a good livable wage I am more than happy to be sitting where I am right now.

I think its interesting that in the same post you state that you are willing to ride on the coattails of other pilot groups in order to get a bigger raise, but that it is up to Mesa to get a better contract based on 'all available tools'. I guess in your mind the Skywest PWA isn't one of those tools?

Ignorance must truly be bliss for you to have such a selfish, myopic view of the contract carrier industry.

 

[FlySacto]

I voted yes and I do not worry about what the industry thinks of us. You can't go through life trying to please everyone because well it simply is not possible. Negotiating a contract is a personal process that does not need outside interferance or monday morning quarterbacking. Each pilot group gets the best deal they can, votes on it and the rest is history. JO can use our rates all he wants but in the end it is up to Mesa guys to get the best deal they can using all available tools. They spend 2% of their paycheck every month so I would certainly hope they can get a better deal this time around.

I am content to sit back, relax and not have to worry about these things. We have a deal til 2010 and it looks like clear skies ahead. I believe we will get another raise before then. It just takes patience to wait and see what other pilot groups get first. Once other regional contracts start getting completed we can begin the process of seeing just how big our next raise can be. The industry is on its way back up from the crapper. Either way I can assure you SkyWest will never be at the bottom of the industry. We may not be at the top of the payscale but as long as it is a good livable wage I am more than happy to be sitting where I am right now.

You're still at it you sly dog! Remember, I still owe you a beer dude for all your past convoluted rambles. I don't want to have to buy you yet another "40". Remember, us second class bro's didn't get a 1% payraise. Gosh, with dem 30 cents an hour you got I'd be able to really strut my stuff and buy the good shizzle! Heck, I mean if you block 7.0 hours that's like... a whole $2.10!!! SWEEEEET! PM if we get a "another raise" before 2012 without a union and I'll come mow your yard.

 

[ArcticFlier]

Negotiating a contract is a personal process that does not need outside interferance or monday morning quarterbacking.

And it influences negotiations at other carriers, whether or not you want to bury your head in the sand.

Each pilot group gets the best deal they can, votes on it and the rest is history. JO can use our rates all he wants but in the end it is up to Mesa guys to get the best deal they can using all available tools.

Contradictory statements. Shows your understanding (or lackthereof) of the industry. Not surprising. edit:maybe it's your lack of caring for others. Either way........from the tone of your other posts.............still not surprising. We don't live/work in a vacuum.

We have a deal til 2010 and it looks like clear skies ahead. I believe we will get another raise before then.

False hope.

It just takes patience to wait and see what other pilot groups get first.

They'll get 1%. Unless, of course they drive a paddle-jet. Then they'll get nothing.

Once other regional contracts start getting completed we can begin the process of seeing just how big our next raise can be.

Let's be clear: You mean another 1%.

The industry is on its way back up from the crapper.

Which is why, combined with the fact that SKYW was making money hand over fist when the rest of the industry was in the crapper, we should have gotten a much better raise than this insult.

Either way I can assure you SkyWest will never be at the bottom of the industry. We may not be at the top of the payscale but as long as it is a good livable wage I am more than happy to be sitting where I am right now.

I, sir, am not.



AF

 

[FlyinScotsman]

Any reason you pro ALPA Skywest guys want ALPA anyway? ALPA won't have your best interest in mind, you know that right? ALPA interests are with major ALPA carriers, the folks who pay your bills. When it comes to something like scope or another conflicting interest with a major carrier who do you think ALPA is going to side with? Skywest? No I don't think so, last I checked the leadership of ALPA is not loaded with pro regional folks. The old union adage "what hurts one, hurts us all" does not hold true at ALPA.

I am not anti union, but I am anti-ALPA at a regional they can't represent both sides of the same coin. Also I am not a RJDC fan either, but that is a different story. There are other options out there for representation, in house or even, dare I say, the Teamsters (...ducking from objects being thrown...). The Teamsters although not perfect have seemed to do a good job at QX and Republic.

 

[ArcticFlier]

In-house was tried and failed pretty miserably. We tried Teamsters years ago. Same result. Am I pro-ALPA? No. I am becoming somewhat anti-SAPA, though. But I think it has more to do with who's in SAPA as opposed the organization itself.

ALPA is not a fix-all for what ails us, but a CBA is becoming more and more necessary.



AF

 

[PCL_128]

Any reason you pro ALPA Skywest guys want ALPA anyway? ALPA won't have your best interest in mind, you know that right? ALPA interests are with major ALPA carriers, the folks who pay your bills. When it comes to something like scope or another conflicting interest with a major carrier who do you think ALPA is going to side with? Skywest? No I don't think so, last I checked the leadership of ALPA is not loaded with pro regional folks. The old union adage "what hurts one, hurts us all" does not hold true at ALPA.

I am not anti union, but I am anti-ALPA at a regional they can't represent both sides of the same coin. Also I am not a RJDC fan either, but that is a different story. There are other options out there for representation, in house or even, dare I say, the Teamsters (...ducking from objects being thrown...). The Teamsters although not perfect have seemed to do a good job at QX and Republic.

More ignorance. Have you even met any of the people within the Association that you claim are anti-regional? The leadership of this Association fights for the benefit of the entire profession.

 

[BoilerUP]

The Teamsters although not perfect have seemed to do a good job at QX and Republic.

Ask your average RAH pilot if they feel IBT 747 and its leadership have represented them well. I'd say they probably wouldn't be pleased, considering a group of RAH pilots tried (but failed) to gain control of the Local recently.

 

[TAWS]

Teamsters aren't that great, but ask ASA guys if ALPA threw them under the bus, when it came to giving DAL mngt info on how they could save mainline jobs/work rules/etc, by screwing the regional guys.
The fact that over 700 pilots at SkyWest didn't even bother to vote is a DISGRACE !!! You guys should hang your collective heads when you walk through the terminals! What a bunch of losers, can't even bother to vote on something so critical to their own futures, nevermind ASA's, or the rest of the industry's!
You guys need someone to represent you because CLEARLY you are too incompetent/apathetic to do it for yourselves!!
If not ALPA, then IBT - dare I say it ..................... Even GoJets have representation (that's another sad story).