SkyWest Pay Proposal Passes

[PCL_128]

Thank you for stating the reasons why and adding nothing of relevance to the topic.

The big reason why is financial. Regional pilot groups receive far more money from ALPA than they pay in because the majors subsidize us. Without that subsidy, an independent association would have to charge their members an absurd dues percentage (probably something in the 5-6% range).

 

[Gr82Aviate]

and you been here how long now? how many 'straws' have you suffered through? I recall your posts when you were trying to get hired here, you backed SkyWest then, what is so different now all these MONTHS later?

classic union thuggery mentality. a guy will come to an interview, prepare, study hard, spend money flying the sim, and schmooze and tell the interviewer how much he wants the job, how excited he'd be to be here, blah blah blah. they present the payscale and all the info about the company. he smiles, does his absolute best, and hopes to get hired. then, after getting hired, turns around and starts pissing and moaning how bad he has it and how he'll 'burn the MF down' if he has to.

really impressive.

How long you been here koolaid boy? Typical brain dead anti-union management bootlicker can't figure out he just got the shaft from management!
Really impressive.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Apples to oranges... You fly for UPS?

When any union represented regional pilots swing a 40% pay increase at any seniority level please let me know

I agree the pay increase should have been better, but it's a start. SkyWest doesn't have a great negioting table right now, but then again, what regional does?

It's not a start, it's a steamy pile...We don't have a "great negotiating table right now"???? You mean being number 20 in the world in operating income out of all carriers including freight isn't good enough for a COLA that at least matches inflation??? We actually had higher operating income last year than UPS, and they got a 40% increase!!! WAKE UP!!!!!!!

 

[Morning Wood]

The UPS guy does not want you working there now---it will only continue at other airlines when they hear what Skywest pilots are settling for? ENJOY your career at Skywest !! Call for ALL ALPA carriers not to hire non-union carrier pilots once taking of aircrafts from unionized companies ...

Do you think your union dues are being used to buy airplanes? The employees don't own the airplanes, the bank does.

 

[flyphish]

why would you guys fly 50, 70, and 90 seaters for the same pay? sounds like mesa! if you are flying a 90 seat airpline why would you fly it for 50 seat pay?

 

[HelloNewman]

why would you guys fly 50, 70, and 90 seaters for the same pay? sounds like mesa! if you are flying a 90 seat airpline why would you fly it for 50 seat pay?

Newsflash starting Jan 2007 we fly the planes for different rates. 5% more than the 50 seater rate. How about taking the time to educate yourself instead of spouting off the same, tired rhetoric. SkyWest pilots no longer have a thing to be embarrassed about.

 

[ASARJMan]

Newsflash starting Jan 2007 we fly the planes for different rates. 5% more than the 50 seater rate.

Still not a rate. It's override when you actually fly the thing, and only then. Doesn't apply for CX pay, vacation pay, credits etc etc. Perhaps YOU ought to educate yourself. Even if it were a true rate, 5% ain't sheeeeeeeet man!

Voted To Strike ASA & SKYW Inc!

 

[goahead]

Newsflash starting Jan 2007 we fly the planes for different rates. 5% more than the 50 seater rate.

Perhaps, for as long as JA lets you to have it, but most importantly you'll only get it when you're in the actual seat. No DHD, TNG, CNX, guarantee, all your cool rigs, etc.....
Still a crap raise.

 

[OO pilot]

Check your facts FNG. The vote in 1999 for ALPA would have passed if it wasn't for a couple of ballots postmarked a day late. The majority of pilots voted for it. Noone that I have talked to since 1999 claims the vote was rigged. It just sucks that 4 or 5 ballots got postmarked a day late.

Early 2003 was a different story with voting conducted on a company controlled website. The biggest farce was the voting got cut off early. Then hours before voting was originally scheduled to end UAL put out a press release saying we had been awarded the flying. So in essence we were going to get the flying regardless of the outcome of the vote. The gents in SGU cast out a shiny lure and we bit. That's what happens when you don't have experts to advise you and instead rely on well intentioned SAPA folks. If we had dug in our heels and demanded a 3 or 4 buck an hour wedge in the scale the total additional cost to the company would have been about the same cost as a single RJ captain over the 18 months based on the advertised delivery schedule. So it was never about the new airplanes or the money. They just wanted to take advantage of a pilot group that was nervous about the Bain group and losing flying to Mesa.

You talk so much sh1t and try to give people the impression you know what happened but the simple fact is you weren't even on the property when these events happened. You're still a junior FO in ORD. That's why you can't get the stories about these events straight.

Amen to that.

 

[OO pilot]

WOW, I honestly can't believe this passes. You guys are a farking joke! As someone else said, an over ride is NOT a split rate. What a bunch of clowns.

Well, to be fair, it's 1600 clowns....there's 753 of us who knew better, and like you, sill can't believe it passed.

 

[CoATP]

Newsflash starting Jan 2007 we fly the planes for different rates. 5% more than the 50 seater rate. How about taking the time to educate yourself instead of spouting off the same, tired rhetoric. SkyWest pilots no longer have a thing to be embarrassed about.

Let me see ...hmmmm 70 seats vs 50 seats why yes that's a 5% increase in capacity/ responsibility for a 5% increase in pay. Oh wait perhaps it's just fuzzy math [in class I was listening to my ipod] It must be the 90 seaters that are 5% larger .... No that doesn't work either. Perhaps if 5% of the pilots got a 5% increase that would make it a 25% increase all one has to do is leave out some zeroes. I do wish some zeros were left out (pilots not numbers)

 

[Lazy8]

It's not a start, it's a steamy pile...We don't have a "great negotiating table right now"???? You mean being number 20 in the world in operating income out of all carriers including freight isn't good enough for a COLA that at least matches inflation??? We actually had higher operating income last year than UPS, and they got a 40% increase!!! WAKE UP!!!!!!!

No, you don't have a great negioting table right now. No union = no negotiations (regardless of the financial standings). Take your own advice and "wake up". If SkyWest had voted this payraise down then that would have been the end of it ~ no negotiations ~ just like the previous payraise that was voted down.

In a nutshell, UPS got a 40% payraise because they have a strong union, united pilot group, and excellent company earnings. SkyWest has a management funded union(kind of defeats the purpose wouldn't you say?), a divided pilot group, and excellent company earnings. Like I said... Apples to oranges...

 

[80for80]

It's not a start, it's a steamy pile...We don't have a "great negotiating table right now"???? You mean being number 20 in the world in operating income out of all carriers including freight isn't good enough for a COLA that at least matches inflation??? We actually had higher operating income last year than UPS, and they got a 40% increase!!! WAKE UP!!!!!!!

Gee. I must have missed something. I didn't realize that Skywest had a $1 BILLION dollar income last year.

 

[ArcticFlier]

For those that say that voting ALPA is tantamount to a 2% pay cut......answer me this:

How is buying something you can benefit from, taking a pay cut?



AF

 

[goodpilotithink]

Well, the good news is:
1. SAPA can negotiate improvements at ANY TIME.
2. The Company policy is to "review" pay on an annual basis
3. Atleast as of now the company can still negotiate directly with their pilots, instead of someone in Washingon D.C. (Herndon)

hahahahahahahah, lol lol lol

 

[HelloNewman]

For those that say that voting ALPA is tantamount to a 2% pay cut......answer me this:

How is buying something you can benefit from, taking a pay cut?



AF

:bawling: :crying: :bawling: :crying: sorry ALPA isn't going to be your knight and shining armor anytime soon. It's not buying something. I do not want them and a lot of other people do not want them, therefore it is a paycut for at least us. Sorry the majority will probably never vote for ALPA. 30% of our pilots didn't even vote on the pay proposal. You can take comfort in the fact that we now get paid more to fly the 700/900

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Newsflash starting Jan 2007 we fly the planes for different rates. 5% more than the 50 seater rate. How about taking the time to educate yourself instead of spouting off the same, tired rhetoric. SkyWest pilots no longer have a thing to be embarrassed about.

Yes we do, for as long as you are on the senority list, hopefully you will not get through the probation interview.
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[NoBathroom]

I am proud to say that I voted NO on the pay proposal. Although I am on the EMB now, but having flown the jet, I know that it is not a split pay scale. It is an override. A split pay scale would have different hourly rates for each plane. Also, SGU is going to adjust block times starting January 1st. How convenient...

 

[HelloNewman]

Yes we do, for as long as you are on the senority list, hopefully you will not get through the probation interview.
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Sorry already passed the probie interview. I don't see why I would fail that interview when my viewpoint is in the majority. Viewpoints on pay have nothing to do with the probationary evaluation anyway. Typical response, wanting someone who has imagination and disagrees with you to fail. Sorry I not only survived my first year, now I am thriving.

 

[Nightrain_080]

Sad

Bohica bend override is not a split rate. Our current SAPA pres is spewing the same Snake-Oil-salesman pitch he was given by B.H.

"Bottom line split the rate" blah blah blah.

Take the "Zoltar" QOL improvements over this snake override. QOL would be meaningful to all of the Pilots. Heaven forbid we band together and stop focusing on spiltting the rates the wrong way.

ALPA, Yes I know its not the answer to all problems, but it's still an option.

Within MINUTES our policy manual is changed.

MANAGEMENT since November 2006

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1. credit times to be adjusted Jan. 1st
2. Another round of what constitues cancellation pay. (interpretted by B.H.)
3. Mandatory qualification for the 900 "LMAO"

AND WE THOUGHT WE WERE OVER A BARREL AFTER UPA FAILED!