Skybus Toast

[frequentflya]

PCL did your daddy pay for u to fly in a B1900 at GulfStream?

He is a whore who sold himself out to make a measly $8.00/hr after having daddy/mommy spend the $18,000+ to allow him to yank the gear at Gulfstream. If anyone should keep there mouth shut and fukcin run it should be him. He is a disgrace, a whore, and the last person who has any credibility within this industry to make even elementary comments. Once a whore always a whore, now his big APLO stance! Can it get any better?

 

[gt1900]

Remember this guys.... A little humility goes a long ways. I hate to say it, but we could ALL be in trouble if gas stays like it is. I don't care if you work for AAI, LUV, DAL, or anyone. At gas prices over $100 a barrel we better all learn to work together otherwise there will be more pilots on the street. While Im not upset to see Skybus go, I do feel a little bad for the people who lost their jobs. However, you sleep in the bed you make, and those guys knew their chances. So no, I don't really feel sorry for them. If their business model would have worked it would have dragged down the industry even more. Trust me, there will be more people on the streets, but maybe, just maybe this is the beginning of the shakeup the industry has needed to lower capacity so airlines will have some pricing control... BTW.. My prediction is that in a couple years there will be no more "low fair" airlines... Just airlines trying to make money, and pilots trying to make a living.... Lets hope it gets better, because I have 29 years left of this crap till I retire at....

 

[frequentflya]

How about Gulfstream PFT boy?

:blush: He will be a lifer at AirTran. Don't they say once a whore always a whore?:beer: Imagine him explaining his past and whoring himself out in front of a senior salt on the interview panel at a DAL, UAL, SWA, etc. Fortunately one cannot erase a past and for him most read his takes with a relatively large grain of salt.

Consider the source. Best of luck to these guys who fell victim to bad management, current state of the industry, and all other variables considered. The A-319 type should allow you to move on.

 

[PCL_128]

He will be a lifer at AirTran.

I certainly hope so.

 

[FirstMate]

What exactly is an "unnecessary airline?"

It is the ghetto sled that you are so proud to be at as a co-driver. Get over yourself and knock the Airtran chip off of your shoulder. Don't forget where you came from.

 

[Dornier 335]

no mercy for the ex-G7 pilots that lost their jobs over at Skybus!

 

[bravodude]

Not responding to the slams... Except for you 'cause you're so far off base that you need a reality check,,,

Over 60% of the seniority list at airTran had nothing to do with the current contract; they weren't there when it was negotiated. Not to mention, the current CBA is a HUGE improvement over the last contract and has several industry-LEADING components in it, including a reserve PAY system that every other airline wishes they had).

As far as telling me that I'M at fault for airTran "lowering the bar"... wrong frakking guy. I'm on the street because I busted my butt to RAISE the bar.

You can trash my lack of discretion last night (which I already apologized for), but you're barking up the wrong tree when accusing me of "lowering the bar". I'm on the street for my efforts. What have YOU done to improve the industry? Be specific.

p.s. Weren't you banned last month? Thought it was permanent...

you want specific alright. I fought for a contract at piedmont and almost went on strike because of it. what else do you want. I was not trying to slam you but you did go to work for airtran. you can say all you want about what you tried to do once you got there but the fact still remains the same...you went.
You are preaching yourself about not going to skybus, virgin etc but you went to the same place just a diff. name.
Airtran was Valujet, valuejet was a scab airline guess were you went work. You want to talk trash go ahead but you cant blame the guys that went to skybus for a chance at a job and a future!

 

[WalterSobchak]

Airtran was Valujet, valuejet was a scab airline guess were you went work.

...and you pilots wonder why some of us think you're a bunch of 12 year old retards.






All in fun...except to this idiot.

 

[Lear70]

you want specific alright. I fought for a contract at piedmont and almost went on strike because of it. what else do you want.

You fought? Personally? What position did you hold in the MEC? Which pilots did you organize? When were you at the table in negotiations? What papers did you personally publish to educate and solidify your group? "Almost" went on strike? Is that like "almost" getting a good contract?

I was not trying to slam you

Yes, you were. You were very direct about it, don't try to equivocate it now...

but you did go to work for airtran. you can say all you want about what you tried to do once you got there but the fact still remains the same...you went.

Yep. Same as you went to Piedmont. Although I'd argue in saying they're two different animals altogether.

Point is, you don't have any business casting stones when your foundation is made of glass.

You are preaching yourself about not going to skybus, virgin etc but you went to the same place just a diff. name. Airtran was Valujet, valuejet was a scab airline guess were you went work. You want to talk trash go ahead but you cant blame the guys that went to skybus for a chance at a job and a future!

Are you smoking crack?

airTran is the same as Skybus? With pay rates and work rules DOUBLE that of Skybus? I'm not saying airTran rates don't need to come up, but you're smoking some serious herbs to put them on the same playing field.

Not to mention the whole "scab" stone-throwing, when almost every Legacy out there has them. You spew that kind of bullsh*t about CAL, too? I hate scabs, but every carrier has them. According to you, though, no one should go to a carrier that has them, so I expect you to NEVER apply to ANY carrier or company that has ever employed a scab.

Kind of hard to take you seriously when you spout nonsense like that. Try again.

 

[PCL_128]

Airtran was Valujet, valuejet was a scab airline guess were you went work.

You might want to compare your own seniority list against the SCAB list. I think you'd be surprised out the amount of names you'd find.

 

[Fly2Scuba]

Gray issue - choosing to work for sub-par wages in order to enhance ones' career. Skybus - definitely bottom of the barrel on this one. What amazed me is who in their right mind besides a hippy trying to relive the 60s would have any kind of pride flying a giant butterfly on the tail orangish aircraft for 60s level wages not adjusting for inflation over the last 40 years offered all while wearing a forest ranger uniform. Clownish. I really feel bad for the pilots of Aloha, ATA, and Skyways this week. I feel bad for probably the minority of Skybus pilots who took this job as a last resort (family emergency - needed immediate income/insurance); the complete opportunists (former Mesa or Gojets pilots for example) - hard to sympathize at all.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

How about Gulfstream PFT boy?

How about UND and ERAU? These schools are nothing but overpriced puppy farms!!

All these kids getting Daddy and Mommy to fork out huge amounts of cash so they can make embarrassing 'Top Gun' movies, join demo teams and get a shiney sticker on their resume...

No one needs a degree to fly for an airline... but everyone body does it... so we all have to do it...

If everybody flew for the 'Stream then we'd all have to do it.

If everybody flew Airbus' for 65K we'd all have to do it.

So where does that put the UND/ERAU guys?

 

[Fly2Scuba]

How about UND and ERAU? These schools are nothing but overpriced puppy farms!!

All these kids getting Daddy and Mommy to fork out huge amounts of cash so they can make embarrassing 'Top Gun' movies, join demo teams and get a shiney sticker on their resume...

No one needs a degree to fly for an airline... but everyone body does it... so we all have to do it...

If everybody flew for the 'Stream then we'd all have to do it.

If everybody flew Airbus' for 65K we'd all have to do it.

So where does that put the UND/ERAU guys?

Because as an airline captain, you are the manager of an aircraft and are directly responsible for its operation. A college education will make you a better rounded individual ready to take on those tasks. A 4 year degree also provides a background to get out of aviation for awhile should you be furloughed from an ethical carrier instead of chasing the lowest common denominator to remain in this career because you have no other education in any other area what so ever to fall back on. As to ERAU, I will agree going there today at their astronomical prices to a school that lacks in quality of non-aviation courses is not a good idea even if parents have a slush fund to pay for it. But it's way more respectable than Gulfstream.

 

[twepilot]

"A college education will make you a better rounded individual ready to take on those tasks"

Wrong! A degree is a check mark on the app my friend.

RV

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Because as an airline captain, you are the manager of an aircraft and are directly responsible for its operation. A college education will make you a better rounded individual ready to take on those tasks. A 4 year degree also provides a background to get out of aviation for awhile should you be furloughed from an ethical carrier instead of chasing the lowest common denominator to remain in this career because you have no other education in any other area what so ever to fall back on. As to ERAU, I will agree going there today at their astronomical prices to a school that lacks in quality of non-aviation courses is not a good idea even if parents have a slush fund to pay for it. But it's way more respectable than Gulfstream.

Not really convinced....

I say parents do a better job of preparing a pilot to be a Capt.... not a 100,000 school loan....

I don't have a problem with Gulfstream... it is no more an accelerator than college, or 10,000K turboprop jobs in the late 1990's or SWA.... College, Gulfstream, buying a turboprop job, or SWA doesn't lower pay rates and compensation via CBA's.

Look this is America... where the dollar is king and competition is fierce. If someone can get a head start playing the economic American game... then so be it. And when someone uses economic American rules, we chide them for it... seems a double standard.

What about prestige schools like Yale and Harvard. Buy a Harvard degree and you can get any job you want...


The big problem is we chide PFT'ers and management uses that division to conquer us.

We judge all types... women, blacks, black women, foreigners, PFT'ers, LCCers, jB, SWA, etc....

Our fellow pilot is our fellow pilot. If you want to judge a pilot judge them on thier actions AFTER they get the job......