Rumor has it that LOA 93 Arbitrator Has Ruled

[TWA Dude]

Once LOA 93 is in the past there might be a lot more pressure on our NAC to get it moving.

The NAC will have zero success as long we have a divided pilot group (no leverage) and you know how we can solve that problem.

 

[charlie2]

The NAC will have zero success as long we have a divided pilot group (no leverage) and you know how we can solve that problem.

You might be right but it will be better to get beyond LOA 93. There will be decisions about how the list can be "negotiated" and if those decisions go USAPA's way you still will have DFR II while working at a place with wide bodies and a lot of geezers. If the decisions go your way...even better for you. We do have a national mediation lady helping to keep the ball rolling, right?

 

[PHXFLYR]

There's nothing about the NIC list that will be "negotiated ", Chuckles. It is the NIC as is, or LOA 93 for the remainder of your career. Pick the one that suits your fancy. Personally, I could care less which way you run with the ball. All I know is there will be no modification to the NIC award and if you and your boys try, I along with everyone out here will do everything legally possible to thwart your attempts for as long as it takes


PHXFLYR

 

[charlie2]

There's nothing about the NIC list that will be "negotiated ", Chuckles.

Sorry I did't communicate that very well. What I meant by "decisions" I meant how the judge will rule in the companies "Declaratory" suit. I did use the word "if" properly though...IF that judge rules in a way that makes the company think they can accept a DOH list than that is what will be in the contract unless of course the constitution changes and/or west pilots and neutrals (new hires) get a majority, which will happen in 5 or 6 years.

All I know is there will be no modification to the NIC award and if you and your boys try, I along with everyone out here will do everything legally possible to thwart your attempts for as long as it takes

Ya, we already know about DFR II...I've mentioned it in my posts many times and we will expect it if a DOH list ends up in a raified contract.

PHXFLYR

I do sometimes wish that you guys could have somehow forced the nic on us when it first came out. Last year I would have been recalled after a 9 year furlough to better pay and bennies instead of working the last four for crap, but we are stuck in this legal quagmire (giggity) and I don't think we will see an end for a decade because of the lawsuits and the expected appeals. I really hope we can get a contract in a couple years and at least work with better rates etc.. while the appeals are all going on.

 

[Guppiedriver]

IF that judge rules in a way that makes the company think they can accept a DOH list than that is what will be in the contract unless of course the constitution changes and/or west pilots and neutrals (new hires) get a majority, which will happen in 5 or 6 years.

I do sometimes wish that you guys could have somehow forced the nic on us when it first came out. Last year I would have been recalled after a 9 year furlough to better pay and bennies instead of working the last four for crap, but we are stuck in this legal quagmire (giggity) and I don't think we will see an end for a decade because of the lawsuits and the expected appeals. I really hope we can get a contract in a couple years and at least work with better rates etc.. while the appeals are all going on.

The west will never achieve majority status because the easties are brainwashing the third listers. I have a friend that is a third lister and he has shown signs of brainwashing.

If uSAPa ratifies a contract with DOH attached to it, AOL will ask the courts for an injunction. The injunction will stop the contract from being implemented.

Unless you can convince enough easties to accept the Nic and rewrite uSAPa's C&BL's the only way we will ever see a new contract is another merger.

 

[Metrojet]

There's nothing about the NIC list that will be "negotiated ", Chuckles. It is the NIC as is, or LOA 93 for the remainder of your career. Pick the one that suits your fancy. Personally, I could care less which way you run with the ball. All I know is there will be no modification to the NIC award and if you and your boys try, I along with everyone out here will do everything legally possible to thwart your attempts for as long as it takes


PHXFLYR

NIC is a separate issue from LOA 93, so they are not related. Every single pilot here will get a vote if we ever get to a CBA - in the mean time - the East gets to upgrade all the angry FO's while the West stagnates. Now, with that being said - I agree the rates SUCK, but that is the reality for all US AIRWAYS pilots.

And, personally, I could care less which way you run with the ball - but you better figure out what your going to due when the next merger comes along and the PHX base is spun off to someone separate from the whole. And don't think it cant happen under the current TA, since we haven't merged the pilot groups yet.

Metrojet

 

[LaGarbage Man]

The west will never achieve majority status because the easties are brainwashing the third listers. I have a friend that is a third lister and he has shown signs of brainwashing.

If uSAPa ratifies a contract with DOH attached to it, AOL will ask the courts for an injunction. The injunction will stop the contract from being implemented.

Unless you can convince enough easties to accept the Nic and rewrite uSAPa's C&BL's the only way we will ever see a new contract is another merger.

Do not be trying to lump us third list folks in to one camp or another. I think maybe a better way to describe some of us as suffering from Stockholm Syndrome. Sounds nicer than a demeaning term like brainwashed. It would be a much better analogy seeing as we are held hostage by the almost daily East/West antics. Truth be told when we chat among ourselves the general consensus is that both sides in this long drawn out abortion of a merger have things they should not be proud of. In the end we third list folks are just average airline pilots (that is not meant as a compliment ) We will vote for what ever is best for our given situation / seniority. If the Eastholes prevail and tie it to a living wage contract then yep you bet your a$$ I am voting for it. Same thing goes if the Westicles prevails. We know we will be junior to the whole dam lot of you and yet we seem to be the only ones who understand that soon enough we will start to inherit this whole screwed up airline. Hell that is what we were counting on when we came here.Surely you don't think it was for the money and work rules do you. Sorry for the rant but I refuse to let either side try to claim third list is in any one particular camp or another. We have enough problems just trying to survive on these crap wages. The last thing I need is a misguided portion of the East/West guys giving us problems. I can not stop you guys from continuing to indulge in FECES FEST 2011 but I dam sure am not going to let you point your crap cannons at us. Rant off, back to your regularly scheduled East vrs. West thread.

 

[charlie2]

Do not be trying to lump us third list folks in to one camp or another. I think maybe a better way to describe some of us as suffering from Stockholm Syndrome. Sounds nicer than a demeaning term like brainwashed. It would be a much better analogy seeing as we are held hostage by the almost daily East/West antics. Truth be told when we chat among ourselves the general consensus is that both sides in this long drawn out abortion of a merger have things they should not be proud of. In the end we third list folks are just average airline pilots (that is not meant as a compliment ) We will vote for what ever is best for our given situation / seniority. If the Eastholes prevail and tie it to a living wage contract then yep you bet your a$$ I am voting for it. Same thing goes if the Westicles prevails. We know we will be junior to the whole dam lot of you and yet we seem to be the only ones who understand that soon enough we will start to inherit this whole screwed up airline. Hell that is what we were counting on when we came here.Surely you don't think it was for the money and work rules do you. Sorry for the rant but I refuse to let either side try to claim third list is in any one particular camp or another. We have enough problems just trying to survive on these crap wages. The last thing I need is a misguided portion of the East/West guys giving us problems. I can not stop you guys from continuing to indulge in FECES FEST 2011 but I dam sure am not going to let you point your crap cannons at us. Rant off, back to your regularly scheduled East vrs. West thread.

You will do well here no matter what happens because of the geezers.

 

[becket]

NIC is a separate issue from LOA 93, so they are not related.

Metrojet

5 years on and you people STILL don't get what's happening. Unbelievable.

 

[Guppiedriver]

Do not be trying to lump us third list folks in to one camp or another. I think maybe a better way to describe some of us as suffering from Stockholm Syndrome. Sounds nicer than a demeaning term like brainwashed. It would be a much better analogy seeing as we are held hostage by the almost daily East/West antics. Truth be told when we chat among ourselves the general consensus is that both sides in this long drawn out abortion of a merger have things they should not be proud of. In the end we third list folks are just average airline pilots (that is not meant as a compliment ) We will vote for what ever is best for our given situation / seniority. If the Eastholes prevail and tie it to a living wage contract then yep you bet your a$$ I am voting for it. Same thing goes if the Westicles prevails. We know we will be junior to the whole dam lot of you and yet we seem to be the only ones who understand that soon enough we will start to inherit this whole screwed up airline. Hell that is what we were counting on when we came here.Surely you don't think it was for the money and work rules do you. Sorry for the rant but I refuse to let either side try to claim third list is in any one particular camp or another. We have enough problems just trying to survive on these crap wages. The last thing I need is a misguided portion of the East/West guys giving us problems. I can not stop you guys from continuing to indulge in FECES FEST 2011 but I dam sure am not going to let you point your crap cannons at us. Rant off, back to your regularly scheduled East vrs. West thread.

Fair enough. Just so you know, I told my buddy that he was suffering from Stockholm Syndrome the last time we talked. He later told his wife what I said and she agreed with me.