Rumor has it that LOA 93 Arbitrator Has Ruled

[charlie2]

You're joking right? I hate to break this to you but you can't be selective about which "final and binding" arbitration is valid and which one is not.

You guys brought all this misery upon yourselves. The question is, "when will you have had enough"?

Did you accidently hit "quote" on my post when you were intending to respond to someone elses? This reply has nothing to do with my post about an arbitrator taking years to make a decision.

 

[charlie2]

I personally hope the East gets everything they asked for. The reality is this East West struggle affects a small portion of the big puzzle. All of us benifit every time a pilot group makes more money, especially those of us in negotiations.

It will be interesting to see if the East gets the raise and USAPA takes the stance that the west should be brought up to their wages how many will bitch about that.

I can guarantee USAPA will take that stance and maybe the company will start complying with the law and start negotiating in good faith. Continuously repeating "Kirby proposal" is not negotiating.

 

[TWA Dude]

If you are happy that our only means of solving a dispute with management is taking years than I think you would be great in management.

My schadenfreude is small consolation for the harm you've caused us.

He had surgery big deal.

You want to continue complaining about how long arbitrators take then more power to you. My only response was to you was thinking the length had something to do with the complexity of the case and therefore somehow favored the pilots. It doesn't.

Epithets?...really?

Calling a regular union-member pilot (and democrat) a management type is indeed an epithet. But at least nobody can call me an Eastie.

 

[charlie2]

My schadenfreude gesundheit is small consolation for the harm you've caused us.You want to continue complaining about how long arbitrators take then more power to you. Management is very happy about it and you seem to be too so all I'm saying is you have this in common with management. My only response was to you was thinking the length had something to do with the complexity of the case and therefore somehow favored the pilots. It doesn't.Calling a regular union-member pilot (and democrat) a management type is indeed an epithet. OK I wont do it anymore you slimy liberal (just kidding) But at least nobody can call me an Eastie.

There may be some issue in the future that you personally are waiting for an arbitrators decsion. I'm sincere when I say I hope they don't do this to you. What do you think of my suggestion that after we get the award there might be a change in attitude out east?

 

[charlie2]

My only response was to you was thinking the length had something to do with the complexity of the case.

Complex? I thought you implied (or maybe I inferred) that it is obvious that the pilots will lose? Complex? We asked an arbitrator to make a decision on what the "end" date in the pay "freeze" part of the LOA means and that takes years?

 

[TWA Dude]

Complex? I thought you implied (or maybe I inferred) that it is obvious that the pilots will lose? Complex? We asked an arbitrator to make a decision on what the "end" date in the pay "freeze" part of the LOA means and that takes years?

You need serious work on your reading comprehension so I'll try not to be too obtuse. There's no correlation between how complex or non complex a case is and how long it takes an arbitrator to issue his ruling. In other words, a simple case may take a long time or it may not. By the same token, a complex case might take significantly longer than a simple one -- or it may not. Arbitrators work at their own pace and there isn't a darn thing anybody can do about it. Always been that way and always will be.

Verstehst du?

 

[charlie2]

Is anybody actually unsure about what the ruling will be?

No, you implied it.

 

[charlie2]

Verstehst du?

NY und du?

 

[charlie2]

You need serious work on your reading comprehension so I'll try not to be too obtuse. There's no correlation between how complex or non complex a case is and how long it takes an arbitrator to issue his ruling. In other words, a simple case may take a long time or it may not. By the same token, a complex case might take significantly longer than a simple one -- or it may not. Arbitrators work at their own pace and there isn't a darn thing anybody can do about it. Always been that way and always will be.

Verstehst du?

Yep, I agree with you. It's sad that us union pilot's only recourse is to wait years for a decision on a disagreement with management on something as unimportant as our pay.

 

[charlie2]

You need serious work on your reading comprehension so I'll try not to be too obtuse.

If I'm not comprehending you than I'm the obtuse one not you! So what do you think of my suggestion?

 

[charlie2]

NY und du?

I took German in college a long long time ago but I think you are saying something else...DOH (the Homer DOH not date of hire)? Are you saying I'm mistaken or not understanding?

 

[Sandhawk]

No, you implied it.

NY und du?

Yep, I agree with you. It's sad that us union pilot's only recourse is to wait years for a decision on a disagreement with management on something as unimportant as our pay.

If I'm not comprehending you than I'm the obtuse one not you! So what do you think of my suggestion?

The multi-quote function works wonders....you should try it sometime.

Just sayin!

 

[charlie2]

Is that the "multi off" button?

 

[charlie2]

Is that the "multi off" button?

The multi-quote function works wonders....you should try it sometime.

Just sayin!

I personally hope the East gets everything they asked for. The reality is this East West struggle affects a small portion of the big puzzle. All of us benifit every time a pilot group makes more money, especially those of us in negotiations.

It will be interesting to see if the East gets the raise and USAPA takes the stance that the west should be brought up to their wages how many will bitch about that.

I never said I was smart!!!!!

 

[charlie2]

Why is USAPA negotiating for a contract and payrates less then the "snapback" if there so sure of the win? Good luck, win or lose... we win.

Fair question. I think it was a mistake but maybe the NAC was thinking big picture here. The LOA 93 dispute is about pay and only pay. A contract has many sections that if improved can be as or even more important than pay rates. I would give up a few dollars in the rates section for more vacation, sick, 401k etc...

 

[TWA Dude]

If I'm not comprehending you than I'm the obtuse one not you!

I'd love to see you in front of Judge Judy. She'd have much less patience for you than I.

So what do you think of my suggestion?

Nope. It'll take more than an arbitration loss to get through. A ruling from Judge Silver will have to come first.

 

[charlie2]

I'd love to see you in front of Judge Judy. She'd have much less patience for you than I.Nope. It'll take more than an arbitration loss to get through. A ruling from Judge Silver will have to come first.

Thankyou for your patience. I guess what I'm asking you is this. If somehow the west pilots were waiting for a decisiion that could increase your pay rates substantially would you care more or less about our seniority list?

 

[TWA Dude]

I got furloughed from TWA when the APA saw fit to staple two-thirds of us. A crappy seniority number can lead to a 100% pay cut. I'm entitled (yes, I said entitled) to my Nicolau seniority number and the East is stealing that from me. So the answer to your question is I'd care more about the seniority.

 

[charlie2]

I got furloughed from TWA when the APA saw fit to staple two-thirds of us. A crappy seniority number can lead to a 100% pay cut. I'm entitled (yes, I said entitled) to my Nicolau seniority number and the East is stealing that from me. So the answer to your question is I'd care more about the seniority.

Ya that sucks. I think you more than most westies understand the 2000 easties absolute repulsion to the nic award which staples us at the bottom. Please understand that this statement is not questioning your entitlements under binding arbitration, we can still have a fight in us on the way to the executioner. Just try and understand that being stapled would keep so many of us furloughed for so much longer while your two month probationary guys got to feed their families. I think nic backed us into a corner and the result was a fight for life. But I do think you will end up an A330 captain for 25 years and I will retire as an 737 FO...congrats you definitely win this time.

 

[TWA Dude]

...congrats you definitely win this time.

If you could guarantee that outcome I'd happily tell the Leonidas guys to give it all up. I'll let you know if I've really "won" in about 22 years. Not before then and certainly no time soon.