Reasons why Airtran pilots are gonna LUV Southwest!

[Secret Squirrel]

Honestly,

I started this thread in response to all of the threads that attampt to speak to this. Let's not fight on this one! It is gonna be great it we can avoid poisoning the well!

Let's focus on how it is gonna be great!

Did I mention no more Airran management! Happy thanksgiving everyone.

 

[ivauir]

Did I mention no more Airran management! Happy thanksgiving everyone.

Gooble gooble brother!

I really have enjoyed my 7+ years working for reasonable and competent people. They are human, but unlike some previous bosses the know it!

Enjoy the holidays, hope you get to spend them where you want with who you want!

 

[johnsonrod]

What about the most important part: seniority list integration among SWA and Airtran. With the most senior SWA pilots hired in the 70s and 80s, it will be interesting to see who they are integrated with the most senior Airtran pilots, hired in the 90s.

How many are left from the 70's? Do you mean flight attendants? The SLI will be done by arbitrators, and he will take all that into consideration, but don't expect Airtan pilot to lose seats in this deal. They will do well overall. But the company will be stronger for all involved, which is a good thing.

 

[Sandhawk]

The Squadron

Are you referring to Phoenix and the "Luke Mafia"??

 

[waveflyer]

Are you referring to Phoenix and the "Luke Mafia"??

If you don't know then you're a kernal or don't work at swa
;-)

 

[SO CAL]

Are you referring to Phoenix and the "Luke Mafia"??

He was in PHX but moved to MDW....Thank heavens!!!

 

[oriondriver]

Johnsonrod, do you know for a fact that Airtran will not lose any seats? I wouldn't be so sure. Airtran guys will do well with this deal, but if you think they will subrogate the Southwest pilots seniority you might be disappointed. Hey if you guys want to keep your seat maybe you should do it at your current Airtran rates, afterall its the seat and not the PAY! Anyway that is what I keep hearing. Actually I have a better idea. Lets let our NC's work it out!

 

[BlueBlood]

I love the "it's about the seat argument". If that's the case, then why did people leave CommutAir, Mesaba, ASA and Mesa? If it's all about being Captain, then the regionals would never have to hire because no one would leave.

IT"S ABOUT THE MONEY! That's the only reason anyone puts up with the BS and pays their dues (unless you are PCL and you pay for your time).

 

[oriondriver]

Speaking as a first officer two months away from starting my 10th yr at WN, I could care less about the seat. I can make 180k-200k working 16-17 days a month and let's face it, it is about the money. I just don't believe a pilot who got hired at a secondary major ( or any airline for that matter) after I got hired at WN should have bidding seniority over me for the rest of my career. So keep your seats in ATL, but keep your hands off my seniority you damn dirty trannys.(sorry for the Planet of the Apes quote)

 

[Wesb737fo]

Speaking as a first officer two months away from starting my 10th yr at WN, I could care less about the seat. I can make 180k-200k working 16-17 days a month and let's face it, it is about the money. I just don't believe a pilot who got hired at a secondary major ( or any airline for that matter) after I got hired at WN should have bidding seniority over me for the rest of my career. So keep your seats in ATL, but keep your hands off my seniority you damn dirty trannys.(sorry for the Planet of the Apes quote)

Where did you learn how to talk like that? Some panama city sailor want to hump hump bar? Go sell crazy somewhere else, we are all stocked up here! ( sorry for the Jack Nicholson quote)

 

[scoreboardII]

"What we got here is,... a failure to communicate", Captain, Cool Hand Luke.

 

[Bob Dylan]

I don't understand how AirTran pilots have any leverage. They gave it all up when they settled for a crappy TA. Southwest can easily bulldoze them over now, knowing that trannie pilots will probably take what they can get, or else go back to work under the new TA.

Bet SWA ultimately decides to walk away if things get too ugly.

 

[Lear70]

Bet SWA ultimately decides to walk away if things get too ugly.

I got a C-note that says they don't. Care to exchange personal info so I can collect on my bet later?

In truth, I don't believe it's going to "get ugly", and in practicality, once Southwest owns AirTran, even under Guadalupe, there's no "walking away". Just doesn't work like that. Not to mention none of the AAI people are really concerned by your comments, anyway... but it does make for typical FI trash talk, for those who like the "old style" FI. :smash:

 

[MILPILOT17]

Lear, You are correct! SWA isn't walking away from this unless the Sun doesn't rise on the morning of closing, but there are other ways to skin this cat if things start to get ugly. I for one hope BOTH pilot groups keep the term fair and equitable in mind when the negotiations start to progress.

 

[maru657]

Once again,,What's the issue? If there is a fair SLI integration via an arbitrator it seems some on both sides will have to deal with some possible seniority loss but the growth in the long run should negate that. Garuntee base and seat protection and it's a dead issue in the long run. Unless of course Delta were to aquire a low cost carrier to compete. Possibly sue for gates at Love and Hobby in order to kill the SouthWest monoply.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Are Love and Hobby slot controlled? I know DAL already goes into Hobby. Other than MAYBE MDW I don't think there is an airport that SWA dominates that any other airline could not go in and compete right now if they really wanted to.

 

[GuppyWN]

DAL is open for business to all comers right now. American has come, and gone, twice in the past 10 years.

When the Wright Amendment goes bye bye (2014) and the new terminal is opened we have to give up a few gates. I "think" we will have 18/23 gates or so.

Gup

 

[Ty Webb]

I don't understand

You're right- you don't understand.

So why do you keep writing? Apparently, you feel a burning need to broadcast your lack of comprehension.

 

[obadie]

Gup, I was just having this conversation with a senior Capt out of DAL. He said, we only have 14 gates and thats all we will ever have. I haven't done any research on this....

 

[chase]

16 gates for SWA, 2 for CAL, 2 (I believe) are still leased by AA but could become available to other airlines I believe.

16 is all that SWA will have thanks to the new law passed several years ago.