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waveflyer said:
Ty- run all you want- but I bet there are more than a few FOs who'd prefer to run to get a stretch- balance it out captains-
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Many of our 737 "turns" in ATL have a gate/plane swap and/or some sit time. It's usually not an issue. It's a food run . . . we'll work it out. Not a biggy.
 
Yeah- but that'll change a bit when the hub and spoke disappears... It's one of the best parts of our job- but 20-25 minute turns are a different thing to manage
 
And the single greatest thing SWA brings to the table................wait for it.........

AVOIDANCE BID!

Thats right, you get to show 3 of your bestest, favo-right cappy's the hand during the monthly bid.
 
Richard Gozinya said:
And the single greatest thing SWA brings to the table................wait for it.........

AVOIDANCE BID!

Thats right, you get to show 3 of your bestest, favo-right cappy's the hand during the monthly bid.
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It's better than nothing, but I've always thought the wrong seat is getting punished. To wit: If FO & bid-avoided Cappy get the same line, then Cappy should get bumped down to their next bid line, not FO. It would be a great, self-correcting system to "help" those high bid-avoidance dudes (and dudettes) get a clue. Oh, and there should be a similar provision for Cappys to bid-avoid three FOs. :beer:
 
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ASADFW7 said:
I have been at SWA for over 4 years and have never once put a name down for an avoidance bid. I guess I have been lucky.
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Give yourself a few more months. Usually by year 5 the Kool-Aid has been sufficiently diluted and you start to realize that life really is too short....
 
Lear70 said:
I sincerely hope that's not someone's actual employee number... if it is, someone needs to let me know so I can delete the post, we don't do calling out of actual identifying information on FI. Initials are one thing, actual names or employee numbers are quite another...
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There is not a single pilot at SWA who can keep me away from my chosen line.

In eight years I have flown with a handful I don't care for, but none that will keep me from my chosen trip. In my previous job there were some that I wondered if I would end the trip incarcerated ... I'm just saying ...

no actual employee numbers ... but union rep initials? Lear70, i am convinced you make these rules up as you go ...
 
ivauir said:
no actual employee numbers ... but union rep initials? Lear70, i am convinced you make these rules up as you go ...
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Those "rules" were in place long before I came a moderator. Initials have been a recognized exception from the rule for a long time now, that's not something I have changed. If you don't agree with it, you are free to email the webmaster.

Previous post deleted, thanks to the Southwest pilots (and the one AAI pilot with a SL copy) who emailed to let me know that it *WAS* an actual employee number.

"Dude", please do not post information that can specifically identify someone in a post unless it is copied from a publicly-available NEWS source. No time off since seniority numbers don't come up that often and I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't know better.

Thanks,

/mod
 
In my 11 years of participating on these types of forums I have never seen so much control and threats by a moderator. Not even close. This is the only time I have seen such consistent activity by anyone in this type of position.

If this behavior is supported by all the mods and web master, there has been an egotistic increase in control issues which has taken the fun out of this forum.

I wish this would change back to way it use to be managed. It was far more enjoyable.
 
Dash Power said:
In my 11 years of participating on these types of forums I have never seen so much control and threats by a moderator. Not even close. This is the only time I have seen such consistent activity by anyone in this type of position.

If this behavior is supported by all the mods and web master, there has been an egotistic increase in control issues which has taken the fun out of this forum.

I wish this would change back to way it use to be managed. It was far more enjoyable.
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Dash,

He's a good guy under a large amount of pressure.

Personally, I don't think he's being heavy handed. I understand that you may disagree. I also respect that.

I don't really feel that my opinions are censured until I step well outside the line. Just my view.

I hope the goal is to not allow this to degenerate to the US Air East level. In terms of both rhetoric and practicality.
 
dicko,

Agree 100%...the forum ebbs and flow based upon topic and traffic. Points of views are being expressed, meaningful ones, comical ones, worthless ones and on rare occasion "flames" are deleted or those posts that violate the rules.

Thanks to Lear & the other moderators. the good thing is we have a place to debate and express our views.
 
Dash Power said:
In my 11 years of participating on these types of forums I have never seen so much control and threats by a moderator. Not even close. This is the only time I have seen such consistent activity by anyone in this type of position.

If this behavior is supported by all the mods and web master, there has been an egotistic increase in control issues which has taken the fun out of this forum.

I wish this would change back to way it use to be managed. It was far more enjoyable.
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I'm sorry you feel this way, but the "new approach" started a while back to keep the forums at least PG-rated and without an excessive amount of mud-slinging or thread hijacking on issues that were dominating the entire board.

For the most part, it seems to be working as we intended, keeping the "flare-ups" to a minimum while still allowing free thought. If you have a better idea on how to moderate any of the SPECIFIC things I've warned people about in this thread and others recently, please shoot me a PM.

Thanks,
 
ivauir said:
There is not a single pilot at SWA who can keep me away from my chosen line.

In eight years I have flown with a handful I don't care for, but none that will keep me from my chosen trip. In my previous job there were some that I wondered if I would end the trip incarcerated ... I'm just saying ...

no actual employee numbers ... but union rep initials? Lear70, i am convinced you make these rules up as you go ...
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You must have missed "Boner" and the Bipolar wanna be astronaut :)
 
What about the most important part: seniority list integration among SWA and Airtran. With the most senior SWA pilots hired in the 70s and 80s, it will be interesting to see who they are integrated with the most senior Airtran pilots, hired in the 90s.
 
Flyer1015 said:
What about the most important part: seniority list integration among SWA and Airtran. With the most senior SWA pilots hired in the 70s and 80s, it will be interesting to see who they are integrated with the most senior Airtran pilots, hired in the 90s.
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They will start in 1993 or 1994 and then work from there.
 
Flyer1015 said:
What about the most important part: seniority list integration among SWA and Airtran. With the most senior SWA pilots hired in the 70s and 80s, it will be interesting to see who they are integrated with the most senior Airtran pilots, hired in the 90s.
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Honestly,

I started this thread in response to all of the threads that attampt to speak to this. Let's not fight on this one! It is gonna be great it we can avoid poisoning the well!

Let's focus on how it is gonna be great!
 
ivauir said:
Honestly,

I started this thread in response to all of the threads that attampt to speak to this. Let's not fight on this one! It is gonna be great it we can avoid poisoning the well!

Let's focus on how it is gonna be great!
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Did I mention no more Airran management! Happy thanksgiving everyone.
 
Secret Squirrel said:
Did I mention no more Airran management! Happy thanksgiving everyone.
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Gooble gooble brother!

I really have enjoyed my 7+ years working for reasonable and competent people. They are human, but unlike some previous bosses the know it!

Enjoy the holidays, hope you get to spend them where you want with who you want!
 
Flyer1015 said:
What about the most important part: seniority list integration among SWA and Airtran. With the most senior SWA pilots hired in the 70s and 80s, it will be interesting to see who they are integrated with the most senior Airtran pilots, hired in the 90s.
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How many are left from the 70's? Do you mean flight attendants? The SLI will be done by arbitrators, and he will take all that into consideration, but don't expect Airtan pilot to lose seats in this deal. They will do well overall. But the company will be stronger for all involved, which is a good thing.
 
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Johnsonrod, do you know for a fact that Airtran will not lose any seats? I wouldn't be so sure. Airtran guys will do well with this deal, but if you think they will subrogate the Southwest pilots seniority you might be disappointed. Hey if you guys want to keep your seat maybe you should do it at your current Airtran rates, afterall its the seat and not the PAY! Anyway that is what I keep hearing. Actually I have a better idea. Lets let our NC's work it out!
 
I love the "it's about the seat argument". If that's the case, then why did people leave CommutAir, Mesaba, ASA and Mesa? If it's all about being Captain, then the regionals would never have to hire because no one would leave.

IT"S ABOUT THE MONEY! That's the only reason anyone puts up with the BS and pays their dues (unless you are PCL and you pay for your time).
 
Speaking as a first officer two months away from starting my 10th yr at WN, I could care less about the seat. I can make 180k-200k working 16-17 days a month and let's face it, it is about the money. I just don't believe a pilot who got hired at a secondary major ( or any airline for that matter) after I got hired at WN should have bidding seniority over me for the rest of my career. So keep your seats in ATL, but keep your hands off my seniority you damn dirty trannys.(sorry for the Planet of the Apes quote)
 
oriondriver said:
Speaking as a first officer two months away from starting my 10th yr at WN, I could care less about the seat. I can make 180k-200k working 16-17 days a month and let's face it, it is about the money. I just don't believe a pilot who got hired at a secondary major ( or any airline for that matter) after I got hired at WN should have bidding seniority over me for the rest of my career. So keep your seats in ATL, but keep your hands off my seniority you damn dirty trannys.(sorry for the Planet of the Apes quote)
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Where did you learn how to talk like that? Some panama city sailor want to hump hump bar? Go sell crazy somewhere else, we are all stocked up here! ( sorry for the Jack Nicholson quote)
 

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