NWA wants DOH

[PuffDriver]

I'll stand by my initial prognostication, relative seniority by pay and equipment.

I will second that motion. I will go one step further and say that you will not hear one iota of bitching from me regardless of the list turnout.

It will be relative by pay and equipment, and the NWA WILL bitch and moan.

 

[licorice]

What was the date of the PID, and implementation of Merger Policy?

Don't be cute.

You know both MEC's worked a deal (Called a Process LOA) that was "consistent" with Polcy, but not driven by, or conducted under it.

Don't post drunk.

Occam you excessively ossified occiput...you obliquitous, obfuscating and obviously omissive oaf!....not "driven by" nor "conducted under", but "consistent with"? "Conducted under" is exactly what it is.."under" ALPA merger policy, we are allowed to modify #s of arbitrators, timelines and other "administrative" functions. We are not allowed to disregard or modify the concepts or principles by which the two lists will be balanced, then actually merged together. IOW, the three wise men are to decide our case consistent with those concepts and principles that are the heart and spirit of ALPA merger "policy". CONSISTENT: -in agreement or harmony, in accord, compatible, holding always to the same principles or practice.... Occam, my obscurantist, oscillating friend.... live up to the namesake of your famous ancestor, "William of": the simplest interpretation is most likely correct. As an example, my obdurate, obstructionist opponent, if we were to pose the simple question to our three wise men: "Gentlemen, by what criteria have we directed you to merge these lists?"----1)...anything "under the sun"... (including wildly irrelevant ideas like eye color and DOH,) or..2) ALPA merger policy... (status and category according to premerger payrates )...you may ignore all sentence fragments in parenthesis ending with and now answer as you believe William of Occam would answer.

 

[Noserider76]

Occam you excessively ossified occiput...you obliquitous, obfuscating and obviously omissive oaf!

I'm not even sure how I got hired! I just sit around on the couch drinking beer and watching ESPN, reading People and the Enquirer, farting between trips. You people are obviously studying SAT sh*t.

 

[MXAV8R]

DAL pilot at his/her finest.

Everybody will get screwed just deal with it.

Not everybody wants to be a DAL pilot

DAL is just another airline just like NWA..

What is your point?
I know not everbody wants to be DAL pilot, but I did, and I am.

 

[Sedona16]

So I looked at the Delta proposed list which seems somewhat fair but it is interesting to note how far up you have to go to see the first seats of a widebody at NWA. I would have to climb 3000 spots to get the very first first wideboy seat available at NWA whereas due to the almost TWICE AS MANY WIDEBODIES at Delta a widebody seat that pays more money comes many slots below me at the current Delta.

 

[Superpilot92]

Okay but no matter what you should be junior to every DAL because you fly the "furlough Jet". No reason I should suffer because you didn't get hired by DAL.

first off I never applied to delta, secondly thanks for the flamebait response it's people like you that ruin any chance at a decent discussion on this forum.:angryfire

 

[MXAV8R]

first off I never applied to delta, secondly thanks for the flamebait response it's people like you that ruin any chance at a decent discussion on this forum.:angryfire

IT'S NOT A FLAME. It's FACT. Why should I suffer because YOU went to NWA and I went DAL? Why is it so hard for you to understand that should the DC9 leave, you (not me) should leave too? You have your "supercalifragilistic expialidocious wide body" flying and I have job security. That's why I went to DAL.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

It's not like you did not know they were going to merge last year when they hired you......

Now that is flame:angryfire

 

[Superpilot92]

IT'S NOT A FLAME. It's FACT. Why should I suffer because YOU went to NWA and I went DAL? Why is it so hard for you to understand that should the DC9 leave, you (not me) should leave too? You have your "supercalifragilistic expialidocious wide body" flying and I have job security. That's why I went to DAL.

Its called a fence, that provides the short termed protection for your "assumed" near term risk. Your Staple job is a long term loss for the NWA pilots. Thats a fact. Seniority grab at its best. By all means fence the 9's for as long as they are here. As long as the credit market stays the way it is and fuel keeps going down the viability of the DC9 staying longer only gets better. Congrats on getting hired at DAL if that was your goal, but dont be childish when talking to others who didnt go to or want to go to Delta. At least your special in your eyes i suppose :beer:

P.S you act like DAL was the end all for you? Its a good thing UAL didnt work out for you huh?

Question...I had the phone screen over 72 hours ago. No email yet. Does this mean I am dead in the water?

You could have easily ended up at UAL, that just goes to show you shouldnt act like you're any better than a NWA pilot just because you went to DAL. In the end we are all about to be in this together.

 

[Superpilot92]

It's not like you did not know they were going to merge last year when they hired you......

Now that is flame:angryfire

When i interviewed (2007) they werent talking about merging,At least not publicly. Also we have all seen how merger talks have gone over the past couple years, UAL/CAL, USAIR/DAL, etc. Hopefully this one at least works out for us ALL, since it appears like its actually going to go through. :beer:

 

[MXAV8R]

Its called a fence, that provides the short termed protection for your "assumed" near term risk. Your Staple job is a long term loss for the NWA pilots. Thats a fact. Seniority grab at its best. By all means fence the 9's for as long as they are here. As long as the credit market stays the way it is and fuel keeps going down the viability of the DC9 staying longer only gets better. Congrats on getting hired at DAL if that was your goal, but dont be childish when talking to others who didnt go to or want to go to Delta. At least your special in your eyes i suppose :beer:

P.S you act like DAL was the end all for you? Its a good thing UAL didnt work out for you huh?



You could have easily ended up at UAL, that just goes to show you shouldnt act like you're any better than a NWA pilot just because you went to DAL. In the end we are all about to be in this together.

So by me interviewing with United and Delta then going to Delta...that's a bad thing to you?? Damn me for being so careful in career choices..what was I thinking!
Also when have I acted "special" or "better." And why do you get sooo offended that I love where I work? I'm sorry that you're not as proud of your airline as I am of mine. In any case welcome aboard!

 

[recallsomeday]

So by me interviewing with United and Delta then going to Delta...that's a bad thing to you?? Damn me for being so careful in career choices..what was I thinking!
Also when have I acted "special" or "better." And why do you get sooo offended that I love where I work? I'm sorry that you're not as pround of your airline as I am of mine.

Uhhh.... pretty tough (or educated in your mind) choice when you only get one job offer.

 

[Superpilot92]

So by me interviewing with United and Delta then going to Delta...that's a bad thing to you??Never said it was a bad thing, actually i said its a good thing it didnt work out for you. Damn me for being so careful in career choices..what was I thinking!So by it not working out that = a good career choice?
Also when have I acted "special" or "better." referance YOUR posts below And why do you get sooo offended that I love where I work? I dont, reread my posts i said congrats on getting hired somewhere you wanted to work. I'm sorry that you're not as proud of your airline as I am of mine. In any case welcome aboard thats where you are wrong i am proud of where i work and i am also proud of where i will work.!

In any case it looks like we have both made good career choices whether its by default or not. In the end we will all be on the same team working towards the same career goals.

Okay but no matter what you should be junior to every DAL because you fly the "furlough Jet". No reason I should suffer because you didn't get hired by DAL.

IT'S NOT A FLAME. It's FACT. Why should I suffer because YOU went to NWA and I went DAL? Why is it so hard for you to understand that should the DC9 leave, you (not me) should leave too? You have your "supercalifragilistic expialidocious wide body" flying and I have job security. That's why I went to DALYou started with DAL after the merger was announced didnt you? So you knew what you were getting into did you not?.

DTW320,You're a D&CK. Pure and simple. It's a shame you're going to be part of my airline...

Man you NWA guys are just so blind...sad

 

[anewunion]

D.O.H will never happen. NWA MEC better come up with a new plan, and soon because November 20th is fast approaching. Remember, Arbitration is like a court trial. Whoever comes up with a better case wins. Plain and simple. If you have a weak defense, you lose.

 

[General Lee]

Well of course NW's opening position is DOH, just like Delta's was to create a ratio that stapled 500 NW pilots to the bottom of the list. These are opening positions. I'm no expert on negotiations, but I would assume both sides start on polar opposites, then end up somewhere in the middle.

Can we all (Delta and NW brothers) recognize this and not let this thread turn into another bloodbath of grenades being lobed back and forth?

You will be losing your 742s shortly, and some of your DC9s. That means pilots. We are expanding. Your 787s are not coming for awhile, if ever (may be converted to 777s anyway). And NO, if we started at one end, it would have been a staple---compared to your ridiculous DOH argument, that hasn't worked in a long long time. We came up with something fair, to all pilots. Our proposal will be a lot closer than yours when it is all over. There will also be fences, that will keep the greenbooks off the 777s for 5 or so years, and force them to upgrade on the 744s, where they should have been years ago. Thanks to the new manning policy for flights over 12 hours, NWA will have to add an extra Captain (2 Capts, 2 FOs) to each flight, giving plenty of greenbooks the opportunity to bump the junior redbook Capt to relief Capt during the flight. We shouldn't have to clean up that mess---with our new 777s coming. Nope.


Bye Bye---General Lee