NWA Position Update

[Superpilot92]

Oh YAWN.

Let me explain the point. I don't think you understand, still.

NWA is interviewing lots of people. Many from many places, except not Champion, Pinnacle, or Mesaba. I don't care that you got hired with low time. I am speaking out for the masses.

THE POINT is that NWA is intentionally not INTERVIEWING literally hundreds of pilots with 10,000 plus hours simply because they work for NWA red-tail family companies.

Its great that you got hired.


Once, I sat in an airbus jumpseat next to a former Chatauqua guy. He was telling me how great it was that he got hired with about 2,500 hrs and how easy it was...and maybe I should apply too. Well, at the time I had an app on file and about 5,000 hrs. But why would they hire me with a couple of types, a check-airman letter and a spotless training record. I sat there and tried really hard not to hate his stupidity. He didn't have a clue what an average new-hire needed to qualify.

Oh yeah, he didn't have the same color skin as me.

Life isn't fair. But that doesn't mean that people getting screwed should sit quietly.

And people like me wouldn't roll our eyes collectively when you take a post about the situation personally, or try to make nice by saying "dude, I totally understand how you feel..I have been working for my airline for a whole 4 or 5 years and my major won't hire me"

blah blah blah blah

Bottom line, i was trying to be nice and you decided to bust my chops about it when i was taking your side. I cant control how NWA hires or who they interview. I am just a pilot like you trying to move up the career chain. Again I hope you get on and I meant no ill towards you or your situation. Good luck

 

[profit]

Bottom line, i was trying to be nice and you decided to bust my chops about it when i was taking your side. I cant control how NWA hires or who they interview. I am just a pilot like you trying to move up the career chain. Again I hope you get on and I meant no ill towards you or your situation. Good luck

If my dry sense of reality hurt your feelings, I AM REALLY sorry. It is also amazing what you INFER without my IMPLICATIONS. Of course its not your fault. It wasn't the fault of that guy in the jumpseat next to me either. If you have an opportunity, you should take it.

Ok, here comes the dry part....

Don't try too hard to empathize with people who aren't too much like you. Its probably best to hear, remember, and get wiser. Trust me, you will have many opportunities to learn about RED/BLUE BOOK, why some NWA pilots don't say "Delta" on the radio, and other fine tidbits.

Oh, and if you bought your job at CALEX, you might want to leave that out too.

Best of luck at NWA. For the most part, the pilots are a class act, highly intelligent, decent guys and girls.

 

[Superpilot92]

If my dry sense of reality hurt your feelings, I AM REALLY sorry. It is also amazing what you INFER without my IMPLICATIONS. Of course its not your fault. It wasn't the fault of that guy in the jumpseat next to me either. If you have an opportunity, you should take it.

Ok, here comes the dry part....

Don't try too hard to empathize with people who aren't too much like you. Its probably best to hear, remember, and get wiser. Trust me, you will have many opportunities to learn about RED/BLUE BOOK, why some NWA pilots don't say "Delta" on the radio, and other fine tidbits.

Oh, and if you bought your job at CALEX, you might want to leave that out too.

Best of luck at NWA. For the most part, the pilots are a class act, highly intelligent, decent guys and girls.

"Hurt My Feelings"? Not so much...

Bought My Job?? Not so much... :smash:

Your posts continue to be condescending so i will leave it alone. Just because i am not in the same "boat" as you doesnt me you have to be on opposite sides of the fence like you attempt it to be. Honestly No one in my interview group probably had more time than you so I guess none of us should offer advice or try and be understanding? Thanks for the last comment though I am looking forward to it. I hope you manage to come over as well.

 

[profit]

"Hurt My Feelings"? Not so much...

Bought My Job?? Not so much... :smash:

Your posts continue to be condescending so i will leave it alone. Just because i am not in the same "boat" as you doesnt me you have to be on opposite sides of the fence like you attempt it to be. Honestly No one in my interview group probably had more time than you so I guess none of us should offer advice or try and be understanding? Thanks for the last comment though I am looking forward to it. I hope you manage to come over as well.

If you really want to have the last post, you can reply to this and win!

Your signal to noise ratio is pretty high by the way. Maybe you should find more productive things to do.

Homework assignment for Superpilot...read all posts by my hero "Occam's Razor," who is truly a wise man.

And honestly, you can have the last reply and I will stop trying to help you understand my point.

 

[Superpilot92]

If you really want to have the last post, you can reply to this and win!

Your signal to noise ratio is pretty high by the way. Maybe you should find more productive things to do.

Homework assignment for Superpilot...read all posts by my hero "Occam's Razor," who is truly a wise man.

And honestly, you can have the last reply and I will stop trying to help you understand my point.

Homework Complete. I have already read all of his posts and he has helped many of us understand the application and interview process and his insight is very much appreciated. We have found something to agree on!!:beer: In all seriousness, Good Luck to you.

 

[Occam's Razor]

Dudes!

I'm still trying to get my arms around what's going here regarding MSA, PCL, and Champion pilots.

I suspect hiring Champion pilots may be a negotiating issue at this point. We've broached it with NWA management, and I"m not sure what progress is being made. Our MEC is meeting at this moment, and a special deal might be in the cards. I just don't know.

As for MSA and PCL...if there are no pilots from those carriers getting called in, there will be problems if it continues.

The last time it happened, Wychor had to drop the "L" word to unlock the door.

The NWA Membership Committee (whose chairman reads this forum) has access to data that lists the source of all pilots hired...but not all those called for an interview. The MSA and PCL MEC's should have access to that data.

 

[profit]

Dudes!

I'm still trying to get my arms around what's going here regarding MSA, PCL, and Champion pilots.

I suspect hiring Champion pilots may be a negotiating issue at this point. We've broached it with NWA management, and I"m not sure what progress is being made. Our MEC is meeting at this moment, and a special deal might be in the cards. I just don't know.

As for MSA and PCL...if there are no pilots from those carriers getting called in, there will be problems if it continues.

The last time it happened, Wychor had to drop the "L" word to unlock the door.

The NWA Membership Committee (whose chairman reads this forum) has access to data that lists the source of all pilots hired...but not all those called for an interview. The MSA and PCL MEC's should have access to that data.

M, thanks for watching out for us. If anyone over here is getting interviewed, they sure aren't talking about it.

 

[Occam's Razor]

M, thanks for watching out for us. If anyone over here is getting interviewed, they sure aren't talking about it.

I'll do some sleuthing on Tuesday. I have a "must attend" gig with the HR crew.

 

[727RedTails]

I hope they do interview PNCL guys. I'm back from leave and would really like to see a couple friends get a chance. Occam, let us know what we can do when you talk to HR.

 

[p3flteng]

For what its worth I interviewed with a Champion guy, I do not know if he got the job although I haven't seen him around the training center.

 

[anotherF16pilot]

I've got some PCL stink on me but would quit in a heartbeat if it would make a difference. I thought it would help me for an NWA follow-on and now just hope it wasn't a BIG MISTAKE...

 

[727C47]

that champion guy started the process pre-911,i.e.had his 1st interview aug,01,there are about 40-50 champion guys and girls with stuff into big red,who havn't heard word one. Thank you Occam for the help.

 

[Crowing Rooster]

I work for Pinnacle and had my NWA application in on day one, with a sponsor. I know I have talked to at least a dozen of my fellow employees and it is the same story they have their application in with NWA and none have been called. I have plenty of cirucumstantial evidence.

Meanwhile I'm bringing Express Jet guys and US Airways Express guys to MSP for their second stage interview, no sponsors. The question I ask them is "do you know of any Pinnacle or Mesaba guys that were there at the interview?" I've found not one yet.

To further add to my pile of feild intelligence, Pinnacle guys hired at Jet Blue say that Pinnacle called Jet Blue and asked them not to hire any more of our guys because Pinnacle is having trouble with staffing. So....If Pinnacle asked Jet Blue then surely they asked NWA.

I also know a Pinnacle guy that was hired to JetBlue and then was called for an interview at NWA but only after he left Pinnacle.

I'm just steamed about it. It's good for you guys that have been hired, congradulations. But it is just frustrating from where I'm sitting.

So all you Pinnacle and Mesaba guys out there if you really want to be at NWA, leave now and get hired after you have been some where else. Do it before any more senority passes you by.

So if any one reading this post is from Mesaba or Pinnacle, have been called for even an interview, and were not a previous hire at NWA please speak up.

Likewise if you do work at Mesaba or Pinnacle and have your application in but have not been called please also speak up. I suspect you are in the majority.

I understand why NWA would not want to weaken their small jet feed any more than it is.

This also illustrates why we need some better method of carreer progression in the industry.

 

[another cfii]

I work for Pinnacle and had my NWA application in on day one, with a sponsor. I know I have talked to at least a dozen of my fellow employees and it is the same story they have their application in with NWA and none have been called. I have plenty of cirucumstantial evidence.

Meanwhile I'm bringing Express Jet guys and US Airways Express guys to MSP for their second stage interview, no sponsors. The question I ask them is "do you know of any Pinnacle or Mesaba guys that were there at the interview?" I've found not one yet.

To further add to my pile of feild intelligence, Pinnacle guys hired at Jet Blue say that Pinnacle called Jet Blue and asked them not to hire any more of our guys because Pinnacle is having trouble with staffing. So....If Pinnacle asked Jet Blue then surely they asked NWA.

I also know a Pinnacle guy that was hired to JetBlue and then was called for an interview at NWA but only after he left Pinnacle.

I'm just steamed about it. It's good for you guys that have been hired, congradulations. But it is just frustrating from where I'm sitting.

So all you Pinnacle and Mesaba guys out there if you really want to be at NWA, leave now and get hired after you have been some where else. Do it before any more senority passes you by.

So if any one reading this post is from Mesaba or Pinnacle, have been called for even an interview, and were not a previous hire at NWA please speak up.

Likewise if you do work at Mesaba or Pinnacle and have your application in but have not been called please also speak up. I suspect you are in the majority.

I understand why NWA would not want to weaken their small jet feed any more than it is.

This also illustrates why we need some better method of carreer progression in the industry.

Spot on... NWA called me for an interview after I left 9E for another carrier. But during the interview, they were more interested in my tenure at 9E more than my current carrier.

 

[barrelroll]

Here at Mesaba it's the same story. No XJ pilots are getting interviewed at NWA. I have a good pulse on pilot hiring at NWA with multiple contacts including pilots "in the know" and senior management and even some HR folks themselves. Unfortunately, when it comes to talking about getting an interview the HR folks won't give me the time of day! Although I've never been able to confirm it, I've heard of only one person at Mesaba that has been interviewed and allegedly hired at NWA (other than the Pre 9/11 hires.)

It is very frustrating to say the least. There are a lot of experienced folks with solid qualifications and no skeletons in their closets that are NOT getting an interview. However, I think we all understand what is going on. Whether or not it is legal and/or ethical is for each to determine.

 

[Dumb Pilot]

Spot on... NWA called me for an interview after I left 9E for another carrier. But during the interview, they were more interested in my tenure at 9E more than my current carrier.

Care to explain?

 

[donvag]

Its all about attitude and how you present yourself. I work in a company where many 5k + captain are still here. When I was an F/O these guys complained how they didnt get on with Southwest and they have so much experience but then you saw their personality and you knew why. They didnt have that happy go luck attitude SW wanted. I know of captains that got hired by a major with 3k only because they had great attitudes. To this day I dislike to fly with crews from that particular base because of their attitudes.

 

[another cfii]

Care to explain?

I believe because of my short stay at my current employer, they think we would have more experinece to talk about at my previous job. But i don't think they have a specific interest in 9E.

 

[donvag]

I applied for NW and go the email for further info they need from me. Do any of you guys know what they are hiring into? What are the junior bases? DTW? I live close to LGA and I could do the DTW commute but ANC is a definately no-go. Does anyone know how long you have to be in the DC9? How senior are the intl' trips on the A330 going?

 

[Crowing Rooster]

Donvag Wrote "Its all about attitude and how you present yourself."

Donvag is exactly right your attitude determines your altitude. However you need to be called for the interview before you can display your positive attitude.

Now I realize the error of my ways. I figured that Northwest Airlines would want to hire experienced pilots that know the Memphis, Minneapolis, and Detriot hubs like the back of their hand.

I figured Northwest Airlines would want to hire pilots that have experience with world flight. Pilots that understand the Max Gross Load closeout(MGL).

Pilots that understand that RTOG does not stand for Runway Takeoff Gross but rather Regulatory Takeoff Gross which is the most restrictive of the Structural Limit, Runway Limit and Climb Limit.

Pilots that understand that XTOG maX Take Off Gross is the most restrictive of the RTOG, Landing Limit, Max Zero Fuel Weight Limit, Max Ramp Weight Limit, and Flight Plan Limit.

However for the Mesaba and Pinnacle pilot to get an interview with NWA it is not about flight hours of experience. It is not about Part 121 experience with in the NWA system. It is not about their attitude. It's not about all their connections or how many sponsors.

This is about NWA's problem of small jet feed. Right now their small jet feed is vulnerable until they get Mesaba and Compass up and fully operational.

Like Mesaba had during the bankruptcy process, we are having a mass exodus of pilots. They are leaveing any way they can. Pinnacle has payed fines to NWA because we are canceling our flights due to lack of crews.

So I must admit I was little wet behind the ears to wait for NWA to call. I've had years of observeing what they do. I see what they are doing now and how they are positioning the chess pieces. I am not going to be checkmated into having the rest of my career here. Yet I will serve the customers to the best of my skill and ability while I am working under the NWA brand.

 

[Crowing Rooster]

What he said.

 

[imlars]

fuel to the fire

10 yrs at Eagle...AA could care less...even when hiring.....3 weeks after online app, NWA calls.

1OK tt
7k TPIC
2 TYPES

I think it is the kiss of death to work for a "owned" regional, if you want the mainline.

 

[bluejuice787]

I totally feel you pain as I worked for Eagle for several years. AMR did not like to take from Eagle if they could avoid it. The rub is that I simply understand it...they are a business, nothing more nothing less. Your post is very dramatic and passionate but myopic. Do not feel bad as most of us feel that way. It is not a plot against you personally but rather an attempt to control costs.

The airlines are aware that almost all of the regionals turn out great experience regardless if you fly out of MSP or ORD. The items you mention specifically can be taught in a very simple fashion or learned on the line by your captain at xyz airline.

Pilots benefit much more from being pragmatic rather than passionate.

Juice

Donvag Wrote "Its all about attitude and how you present yourself."

Donvag is exactly right your attitude determines your altitude. However you need to be called for the interview before you can display your positive attitude.

Now I realize the error of my ways. I figured that Northwest Airlines would want to hire experienced pilots that know the Memphis, Minneapolis, and Detriot hubs like the back of their hand.

I figured Northwest Airlines would want to hire pilots that have experience with world flight. Pilots that understand the Max Gross Load closeout(MGL).

Pilots that understand that RTOG does not stand for Runway Takeoff Gross but rather Regulatory Takeoff Gross which is the most restrictive of the Structural Limit, Runway Limit and Climb Limit.

Pilots that understand that XTOG maX Take Off Gross is the most restrictive of the RTOG, Landing Limit, Max Zero Fuel Weight Limit, Max Ramp Weight Limit, and Flight Plan Limit.

However for the Mesaba and Pinnacle pilot to get an interview with NWA it is not about flight hours of experience. It is not about Part 121 experience with in the NWA system. It is not about their attitude. It's not about all their connections or how many sponsors.

This is about NWA's problem of small jet feed. Right now their small jet feed is vulnerable until they get Mesaba and Compass up and fully operational.

Like Mesaba had during the bankruptcy process, we are having a mass exodus of pilots. They are leaveing any way they can. Pinnacle has payed fines to NWA because we are canceling our flights due to lack of crews.

So I must admit I was little wet behind the ears to wait for NWA to call. I've had years of observeing what they do. I see what they are doing now and how they are positioning the chess pieces. I am not going to be checkmated into having the rest of my career here. Yet I will serve the customers to the best of my skill and ability while I am working under the NWA brand.

 

[cargoflyr69]

I undestand about why a company wouldn't want to hire from its sister company. it obvioulsly hurts the bottom line.

The interesting thing is that they are separate companies and both EEOC employers.

An employer would love to do many things to imporver thier bottom line, but there are various laws in place to prevent this.

Looking at the reports from people on this board, if NWA is not intervieving otherwise qualified pilots from Champion, Mesaba, and Pinnacle, it sure sounds like the EEOC would like to hear about this!

 

[another cfii]

Now I realize the error of my ways. I figured that Northwest Airlines would want to hire experienced pilots that know the Memphis, Minneapolis, and Detriot hubs like the back of their hand.

I figured Northwest Airlines would want to hire pilots that have experience with world flight. Pilots that understand the Max Gross Load closeout(MGL).

Do you think NWA cares do you know the different taxi routes out of DTW or the deicing procedures in MSP?? Squat!! All they care is the bottom line. If you've worked for the redtail family, you'll know what i mean.

To respond to another question about new hire base, we were told ANC 747-200, DTW DC9 will be the slots in the upcoming months. Rumors are A-320 will also be available very soon. Slots are assigned by age, so if you're the young guys in your class, better bring your hunting gear and kiss goodbye to your free night minutes on your cellphone. Good thing is, you may be able to bid off it before you even finish training, and there'll be a MSP 47-200 base opening up in 2009, but who knows if it'll become reality.

Hope it helped.

 

[donvag]

thanx. what were the ages in your class? When do you find out your base and equipment? Im 27 and if I get ANC unfortunately im going to have to turn the job down.

 

[Superpilot92]

thanx. what were the ages in your class? When do you find out your base and equipment? Im 27 and if I get ANC unfortunately im going to have to turn the job down.

You wont find out till a few days into class. IF you get ANC you can trade out of it before you finish training so you may only have to go to ANC for a month before you start training again on a different plane. I will just have turned 27 when i start class so i fully expect to be going to ANC and will just deal with it till i change aircraft. Just because you get ANC doesnt mean you have to stay. Food for thought. When is your class? My class was told to expect dc9/bus fo or 747fe in anc.
Good Luck on your decisions.

 

[JohnDoe]

thanx. what were the ages in your class? When do you find out your base and equipment? Im 27 and if I get ANC unfortunately im going to have to turn the job down.

You aren't going to know your official base and equipment until you are sitting in class.

In other words, you'll have to turn the job down after you are there.

As the other poster said, being 27, the chances of ANC for you are higher I would think.



Now for my soapbox: You are going to turn the job down because you might have to commute to ANC for a couple of months?? Boo-frickin-hoo.

 

[Guam360]

10 yrs at Eagle...AA could care less...even when hiring.....3 weeks after online app, NWA calls.

1OK tt
7k TPIC
2 TYPES

I think it is the kiss of death to work for a "owned" regional, if you want the mainline.

...and do you have a 4 year degree?

 

[profit]

Its all about attitude and how you present yourself. I work in a company where many 5k + captain are still here. When I was an F/O these guys complained how they didnt get on with Southwest and they have so much experience but then you saw their personality and you knew why. They didnt have that happy go luck attitude SW wanted. I know of captains that got hired by a major with 3k only because they had great attitudes. To this day I dislike to fly with crews from that particular base because of their attitudes.

You forgot to mention literacy level....