NWA Position Update

[Superpilot92]

Oh YAWN.

Let me explain the point. I don't think you understand, still.

NWA is interviewing lots of people. Many from many places, except not Champion, Pinnacle, or Mesaba. I don't care that you got hired with low time. I am speaking out for the masses.

THE POINT is that NWA is intentionally not INTERVIEWING literally hundreds of pilots with 10,000 plus hours simply because they work for NWA red-tail family companies.

Its great that you got hired.


Once, I sat in an airbus jumpseat next to a former Chatauqua guy. He was telling me how great it was that he got hired with about 2,500 hrs and how easy it was...and maybe I should apply too. Well, at the time I had an app on file and about 5,000 hrs. But why would they hire me with a couple of types, a check-airman letter and a spotless training record. I sat there and tried really hard not to hate his stupidity. He didn't have a clue what an average new-hire needed to qualify.

Oh yeah, he didn't have the same color skin as me.

Life isn't fair. But that doesn't mean that people getting screwed should sit quietly.

And people like me wouldn't roll our eyes collectively when you take a post about the situation personally, or try to make nice by saying "dude, I totally understand how you feel..I have been working for my airline for a whole 4 or 5 years and my major won't hire me"

blah blah blah blah

Bottom line, i was trying to be nice and you decided to bust my chops about it when i was taking your side. I cant control how NWA hires or who they interview. I am just a pilot like you trying to move up the career chain. Again I hope you get on and I meant no ill towards you or your situation. Good luck

 

[profit]

Bottom line, i was trying to be nice and you decided to bust my chops about it when i was taking your side. I cant control how NWA hires or who they interview. I am just a pilot like you trying to move up the career chain. Again I hope you get on and I meant no ill towards you or your situation. Good luck

If my dry sense of reality hurt your feelings, I AM REALLY sorry. It is also amazing what you INFER without my IMPLICATIONS. Of course its not your fault. It wasn't the fault of that guy in the jumpseat next to me either. If you have an opportunity, you should take it.

Ok, here comes the dry part....

Don't try too hard to empathize with people who aren't too much like you. Its probably best to hear, remember, and get wiser. Trust me, you will have many opportunities to learn about RED/BLUE BOOK, why some NWA pilots don't say "Delta" on the radio, and other fine tidbits.

Oh, and if you bought your job at CALEX, you might want to leave that out too.

Best of luck at NWA. For the most part, the pilots are a class act, highly intelligent, decent guys and girls.

 

[Superpilot92]

If my dry sense of reality hurt your feelings, I AM REALLY sorry. It is also amazing what you INFER without my IMPLICATIONS. Of course its not your fault. It wasn't the fault of that guy in the jumpseat next to me either. If you have an opportunity, you should take it.

Ok, here comes the dry part....

Don't try too hard to empathize with people who aren't too much like you. Its probably best to hear, remember, and get wiser. Trust me, you will have many opportunities to learn about RED/BLUE BOOK, why some NWA pilots don't say "Delta" on the radio, and other fine tidbits.

Oh, and if you bought your job at CALEX, you might want to leave that out too.

Best of luck at NWA. For the most part, the pilots are a class act, highly intelligent, decent guys and girls.

"Hurt My Feelings"? Not so much...

Bought My Job?? Not so much... :smash:

Your posts continue to be condescending so i will leave it alone. Just because i am not in the same "boat" as you doesnt me you have to be on opposite sides of the fence like you attempt it to be. Honestly No one in my interview group probably had more time than you so I guess none of us should offer advice or try and be understanding? Thanks for the last comment though I am looking forward to it. I hope you manage to come over as well.

 

[profit]

"Hurt My Feelings"? Not so much...

Bought My Job?? Not so much... :smash:

Your posts continue to be condescending so i will leave it alone. Just because i am not in the same "boat" as you doesnt me you have to be on opposite sides of the fence like you attempt it to be. Honestly No one in my interview group probably had more time than you so I guess none of us should offer advice or try and be understanding? Thanks for the last comment though I am looking forward to it. I hope you manage to come over as well.

If you really want to have the last post, you can reply to this and win!

Your signal to noise ratio is pretty high by the way. Maybe you should find more productive things to do.

Homework assignment for Superpilot...read all posts by my hero "Occam's Razor," who is truly a wise man.

And honestly, you can have the last reply and I will stop trying to help you understand my point.

 

[Superpilot92]

If you really want to have the last post, you can reply to this and win!

Your signal to noise ratio is pretty high by the way. Maybe you should find more productive things to do.

Homework assignment for Superpilot...read all posts by my hero "Occam's Razor," who is truly a wise man.

And honestly, you can have the last reply and I will stop trying to help you understand my point.

Homework Complete. I have already read all of his posts and he has helped many of us understand the application and interview process and his insight is very much appreciated. We have found something to agree on!!:beer: In all seriousness, Good Luck to you.

 

[Occam's Razor]

Dudes!

I'm still trying to get my arms around what's going here regarding MSA, PCL, and Champion pilots.

I suspect hiring Champion pilots may be a negotiating issue at this point. We've broached it with NWA management, and I"m not sure what progress is being made. Our MEC is meeting at this moment, and a special deal might be in the cards. I just don't know.

As for MSA and PCL...if there are no pilots from those carriers getting called in, there will be problems if it continues.

The last time it happened, Wychor had to drop the "L" word to unlock the door.

The NWA Membership Committee (whose chairman reads this forum) has access to data that lists the source of all pilots hired...but not all those called for an interview. The MSA and PCL MEC's should have access to that data.

 

[profit]

Dudes!

I'm still trying to get my arms around what's going here regarding MSA, PCL, and Champion pilots.

I suspect hiring Champion pilots may be a negotiating issue at this point. We've broached it with NWA management, and I"m not sure what progress is being made. Our MEC is meeting at this moment, and a special deal might be in the cards. I just don't know.

As for MSA and PCL...if there are no pilots from those carriers getting called in, there will be problems if it continues.

The last time it happened, Wychor had to drop the "L" word to unlock the door.

The NWA Membership Committee (whose chairman reads this forum) has access to data that lists the source of all pilots hired...but not all those called for an interview. The MSA and PCL MEC's should have access to that data.

M, thanks for watching out for us. If anyone over here is getting interviewed, they sure aren't talking about it.

 

[Occam's Razor]

M, thanks for watching out for us. If anyone over here is getting interviewed, they sure aren't talking about it.

I'll do some sleuthing on Tuesday. I have a "must attend" gig with the HR crew.

 

[727RedTails]

I hope they do interview PNCL guys. I'm back from leave and would really like to see a couple friends get a chance. Occam, let us know what we can do when you talk to HR.

 

[p3flteng]

For what its worth I interviewed with a Champion guy, I do not know if he got the job although I haven't seen him around the training center.

 

[anotherF16pilot]

I've got some PCL stink on me but would quit in a heartbeat if it would make a difference. I thought it would help me for an NWA follow-on and now just hope it wasn't a BIG MISTAKE...

 

[727C47]

that champion guy started the process pre-911,i.e.had his 1st interview aug,01,there are about 40-50 champion guys and girls with stuff into big red,who havn't heard word one. Thank you Occam for the help.

 

[Crowing Rooster]

I work for Pinnacle and had my NWA application in on day one, with a sponsor. I know I have talked to at least a dozen of my fellow employees and it is the same story they have their application in with NWA and none have been called. I have plenty of cirucumstantial evidence.

Meanwhile I'm bringing Express Jet guys and US Airways Express guys to MSP for their second stage interview, no sponsors. The question I ask them is "do you know of any Pinnacle or Mesaba guys that were there at the interview?" I've found not one yet.

To further add to my pile of feild intelligence, Pinnacle guys hired at Jet Blue say that Pinnacle called Jet Blue and asked them not to hire any more of our guys because Pinnacle is having trouble with staffing. So....If Pinnacle asked Jet Blue then surely they asked NWA.

I also know a Pinnacle guy that was hired to JetBlue and then was called for an interview at NWA but only after he left Pinnacle.

I'm just steamed about it. It's good for you guys that have been hired, congradulations. But it is just frustrating from where I'm sitting.

So all you Pinnacle and Mesaba guys out there if you really want to be at NWA, leave now and get hired after you have been some where else. Do it before any more senority passes you by.

So if any one reading this post is from Mesaba or Pinnacle, have been called for even an interview, and were not a previous hire at NWA please speak up.

Likewise if you do work at Mesaba or Pinnacle and have your application in but have not been called please also speak up. I suspect you are in the majority.

I understand why NWA would not want to weaken their small jet feed any more than it is.

This also illustrates why we need some better method of carreer progression in the industry.

 

[another cfii]

I work for Pinnacle and had my NWA application in on day one, with a sponsor. I know I have talked to at least a dozen of my fellow employees and it is the same story they have their application in with NWA and none have been called. I have plenty of cirucumstantial evidence.

Meanwhile I'm bringing Express Jet guys and US Airways Express guys to MSP for their second stage interview, no sponsors. The question I ask them is "do you know of any Pinnacle or Mesaba guys that were there at the interview?" I've found not one yet.

To further add to my pile of feild intelligence, Pinnacle guys hired at Jet Blue say that Pinnacle called Jet Blue and asked them not to hire any more of our guys because Pinnacle is having trouble with staffing. So....If Pinnacle asked Jet Blue then surely they asked NWA.

I also know a Pinnacle guy that was hired to JetBlue and then was called for an interview at NWA but only after he left Pinnacle.

I'm just steamed about it. It's good for you guys that have been hired, congradulations. But it is just frustrating from where I'm sitting.

So all you Pinnacle and Mesaba guys out there if you really want to be at NWA, leave now and get hired after you have been some where else. Do it before any more senority passes you by.

So if any one reading this post is from Mesaba or Pinnacle, have been called for even an interview, and were not a previous hire at NWA please speak up.

Likewise if you do work at Mesaba or Pinnacle and have your application in but have not been called please also speak up. I suspect you are in the majority.

I understand why NWA would not want to weaken their small jet feed any more than it is.

This also illustrates why we need some better method of carreer progression in the industry.

Spot on... NWA called me for an interview after I left 9E for another carrier. But during the interview, they were more interested in my tenure at 9E more than my current carrier.

 

[barrelroll]

Here at Mesaba it's the same story. No XJ pilots are getting interviewed at NWA. I have a good pulse on pilot hiring at NWA with multiple contacts including pilots "in the know" and senior management and even some HR folks themselves. Unfortunately, when it comes to talking about getting an interview the HR folks won't give me the time of day! Although I've never been able to confirm it, I've heard of only one person at Mesaba that has been interviewed and allegedly hired at NWA (other than the Pre 9/11 hires.)

It is very frustrating to say the least. There are a lot of experienced folks with solid qualifications and no skeletons in their closets that are NOT getting an interview. However, I think we all understand what is going on. Whether or not it is legal and/or ethical is for each to determine.