NWA/DAL solving the seniority issue

[737 Pylt]

LMAO!

Yeah that's the typical Delta crash pad vehicle seen in the ATL employee lot!!!


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Good one. I would show you the pic I got of some of the trailers parked in the NWA DTW employee lot, but while walking away, I got mugged!:nuts:

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[nonstop]

IMO we should just wait until DAL goes bankrupt again by expanding into one of the worst financial markets in the history of the United States while oil is at a record high. Then we can pick up their pieces, invert their seniority list and offer preferential interviews in that order. Only after a thorough psychological screening of course.

Sorry I just wanted to post with my new avatar. imp:

 

[DrewBlows]

Drew,

We have 3 777LRs coming this year (LR equals Long Range, equals lots of Captains---2 per ultra long flight), and we get 6 777LRs within 3 months starting at the end of this year (Dec 31st to Mar 31st of 09). How many Captains will that represent? We also get 6 737-700s, just completed getting 17 757-200ERs, and we have more orders for those 73NGs (25 total 737-700s and more 737-800s). And, of course, there are the MD90s, which are out there and we are the only major flier of them. Saudia just put 28 up for sale, and there are many more in China and Japan, some of which we have already looked at. The rumor I heard was that they would slowly replace the DC9-40s/50s. So, we are upgrading due to actual expansion, not waiting for a plane that hasn't even flown yet. We have planes coming NOW, and our INTL expansion adds the need for even more pilots. You guys are bringing new planes in the FUTURE, and FUTURE retirements. We are brining future airplanes (777s, 737-700s, MD90s), and planes/expansion NOW.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Drew,

Guess you have missed the posts about Delta's advance entitlements. In the last six months there have been three. The last had more than 500 openings with more than 100 Captain slots, most of those were widebodies.

I do not know why NWA pilots think the DAL list is stagnant when Delta is running classes of 50 new hires every two weeks and still short on pilots.

Others have posted the staffing requirements for the 777-200LR's, I think was 30 pilots per jet. That 30 is multiplied down the list in the 765, 767ER, 767, 737, MD88 categories. The result will be probably thousands of "openings" and the smallest Delta jet is bigger than a A319, or DC9.

Further, "word" is that there are going to be more 777's ordered.

Then when the retirements start, there is only a three to five year lag before the total number of Delta retirements exceeds the NWA retirements by a large number.

Then you can add to those openings some folks who just will not commute to a DC9 gig up north. Delta hires a high percentage of MBA types who have better options than sitting #11,000 in KMSP. Many of those new hires are on the 767 & ER. Probably only a handful would leave, but it is more than NWA is going to retire in the next three years.

The crystal ball can be clouded by all of these X factors. I think Delta brings much more to the table, the NWA guys think their 1,000 retirements are the ace in the hole. Really this is just "noise" since none of us can bank on the future in this business right now. The big picture items we have to look at (and I'm guessing you are a new hire)

Can you guys honestly say you believe Delta will bring more vacancies over the next three years? Five years? Ten years?

Who gets credit for the vacancies caused by the change in work rules? NWA? Delta? Isn't it NWA airplanes that will be staffed?

 

[Redmeat]

Sorry I just wanted to post with my new avatar. imp:

AWWW!!! A picture of General Lee's kid with his favorite toy.

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[Superpilot92]

Sorry I just wanted to post with my new avatar. imp:

Love the avatar!!

 

[viper548]

We need a picture of a DC-9 at lubbock in general lee colors

 

[jke406]

We need a picture of a DC-9 at lubbock in general lee colors

how about some pictures of snowmobiles, or cars with dead batteries from sitting outside at 40 below for a few days?

 

[formerdal]

Can you guys honestly say you believe Delta will bring more vacancies over the next three years? Five years? Ten years?

Who gets credit for the vacancies caused by the change in work rules? NWA? Delta? Isn't it NWA airplanes that will be staffed?

Isn't it enough that you guys are getting the Delta pay and work rules...you also want credit for DELTA's staffing formula...one of the many items we fought for during our bankruptcy...if you retired your airplanes and we bought new ones would you think that you should get credit for those too??They will require new hires below all of us no one gets credit for them!!!Unbelievable!!!

 

[Busdriver320]

How about some pictures of Lake Lanier, down what? 25 feet? Lots of boats can't even get out of their marinas. Water rationing coming to your suburb of ATL soon!

 

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How about some pictures of Lake Lanier, down what? 25 feet? Lots of boats can't even get out of their marinas. Water rationing coming to your suburb of ATL soon!

Lake Lanier's low level is the direct and indisputable effect of global warming caused by A320 starts in the frigid North.

CM1 - Ooor Dear, Oh Geez O Pete, will eet start?
CM2 - Ah you Betcha, lots of smooke, dooh, Spendy
CM1 - Hope der's no merger, hard to find de Lutefisk and Lefse ootside of Minisoota
CM2 - And instead of Garrison Keilloor they have that Neal Booortz.
CM1 - Okra and Lutefisk?
CM1 - Better configure for de deicing...
CM2 - Yeeah, you betcha, can I git a can oof Pop first?

Go Green Bay!

 

[Redmeat]

Water rationing coming to your suburb of ATL soon!

They already have water rationing. You get a ticket if you get caught washing your car down there (not that they wash their cars anyway).

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[viper548]

How about some pictures of Lake Lanier, down what? 25 feet? Lots of boats can't even get out of their marinas. Water rationing coming to your suburb of ATL soon!

I hit dirt in Alatoona about 300ft from shore. When I wanted to take my boat out, I had to go to a marina 2 miles away from the one I had my boat at since the ramp was about 10ft above the water

 

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You might be from Minnesota if....

You measure distance in minutes.
Down south to you means Iowa.
Snow tires came standard on your car.
75% of your graduating class went to the University of Minnesota.
People from other states love to hear you say words with O's in them.
You hate Fargo but realize that a lot of your family has that accent.
You assume when you say "Twin Cities" people know to where you're referring.
You know what uff-da means and how to use it properly.
You own an icehouse, snowmobile, and a 4-wheel drive vehicle.
You know that when it comes to AM, there is only WCCO; besides, what else do you need?
Everyone you know has a cabin.
You consider it a sport to gather your food by drilling through 18 inches of ice and sitting there all day hoping the food will swim by.
You are proud that your state makes the national news 96 nights each year because International Falls is the coldest spot in the nation.
You have refused to buy something because it's too "spendy."
You're a card-carrying member of both the NRA and the ACLU.
Your local Dairy Queen is closed from December through February.
You have no concept of public transportation.
You instinctively walk like a penguin for three months out of the year.
Someone in a store offers you assistance, and they don't work there.
You know more than one person that has hit a deer.
Your dad's sun tan stops at a line curving around the middle of his forehead.
You have apologized to a telemarketer.
You may not have actually eaten it, but you have heard of Lutefisk.
You know what Mille Lacs is and how to spell it.
Nothing gets you madder than seeing a Green Bay sticker on a Minnesota car.
You have worn shorts and a parka at the same time.
You have either a pet or a child named "Kirby."
Your town has an equal number of bars and churches.
You have had an entire telephone conversation with someone who dialed a wrong number.
The only reason you go to Wisconsin is to get fireworks, to fish, or to buy beer on Sunday.
You know how to say Wayzata, Mahtomedi, and Shakopee.
You grew up thinking rice was only for dessert.
You think that ketchup is a little too spicy.
You drink POP, not SODA.
You always believed that vacation meant "going up north."
Every January, from age 2 to l3, you let your older siblings talk you into putting your tongue on a steel post.
You consider Lime Jell-O a highly versatile food: a breakfast dish when filled with fruit, a salad when it has shredded carrots and a dab of mayonnaise, and a dessert when topped with Dreamwhip.
You never had to rewind any part of "Fargo" because you missed some of the dialogue.
You call highways freeways.
Your town has an annual festival honoring a fruit, vegetable, or ethnic food.
The first time you saw "Grumpy Old Men," you thought it was a documentary.
You can recite, from memory, more than a half-dozen "Ole and Lena" jokes.
Every time you see moonlight on a lake, you think of a dancing bear, and sing, gently, "From the land of sky-blue waters.....Hamm's the beer that's so refreshing..."
Your dog dies, your spouse leaves you, you lose your job, and your car breaks down, all on the same day, and your first thought is, "It could be worse."
You've gone trick-or-treating in 3 feet of snow.

 

[PuffDriver]

IMO we should just wait until DAL goes bankrupt again by expanding into one of the worst financial markets in the history of the United States while oil is at a record high. Then we can pick up their pieces, invert their seniority list and offer preferential interviews in that order. Only after a thorough psychological screening of course.

Sorry I just wanted to post with my new avatar. imp:

Interesting. The Last word I got is that Delta's stand alone plan is to take deliveries of the remaining 757s, 13--not 8--777s in the next 13 months, the 10 737-700s (primarily for international flying), and possibly some MD90s. This is in direct response to inflating oil. All deliveries are set to expand internationally, which is where the money is currently being made. Domestic is going down, hence the drawdown of Comair. Hence, the inexplicable increase of Compass. The numbers are out there. Delta's RASM is on the steady rise, NWA's is on the decrease. They are relying on a 787 which has been delayed, and delayed to be their salvation on international RASM.

I'm telling you guys, the picture is going to look a lot different in a year when this thing gets shoved, not asked, and you'll lose your DOH anyway.

Choose wisely

 

[jke406]

I never understood the fascination with ice fishing. Get a trailer-park reject structure, drag it out to the middle of a frozen lake, drill a hole in the ice, drink beer, scratch yourself and freeze your nuts off. Repeat next weekend.

What am I missing?