No growth at SW until 2016 now

[Nindiri]

Such backward reasoning. Forgiveness for a scab, but disgruntlement for losing 2-3 years in an sli with SWA.

????

Sorry if that's not extremely weird to me.

Don't be obtuse, Wave. I already said in this thread that I don't blame individual SWA pilots for anything and I that enjoy working with them.

But if you want to talk about weird, then holding a grudge so obsessively that 25 years later you're still furiously trashing a retired guy on the internet, well...

 

[waveflyer]

No grudge. I just don't accept scabs as peers.
It's wierd to me that any pilot would.
It isn't situational.
You flat out do NOT do it
I just think the discretion should be at least as much of a hindrance to this career as a violation, accident, or pink slips. Apparently, you're an enabler. That's on you man.
But I do not care what anyone has going on- BE READY TO STRIKE IF YOUR GROUP VOTES THAT WAY, NO MATTER IF YOU AGREE OR NOT, HAVE A SICK CHILD, MORTGAGE, OR WIFE WITH NUTTY SPENDING HABITS- we as a profession need to be able to trust and count on one another to hold the line when we decide to go that way. It's your responsibility to prepare to do that.

Not optional in my book and no, they'll never find a comfortable home at my airline if they do. As was said- no hazing. But you don't get to socialize.

Sorry if the air tran culture taught you something different.

Sounds like a good dude.

You know what? I knew a good dude who landed gear up. Good pilot, multiple MEL's contributed. No warning. Doesn't get to be a pilot though.
Scab is, in the best case scenario, that situation.

You can now go be a good dude playing the harmonica in an accounting firm.

By the way- what was "furious" about my post?

Please explain how my position on scabs is an emotional one for you?

 

[redflyer65]

Spot on Wave.

I can never envision a situation where I would Scab. I wouldn't do it at ANY airline. Too much respect for the profession and my fellow pilots. And that would extend to any carrier.

I'd rather work at Auto Zone, or Wal Mart. Pretty much anywhere than cross that line. Not worth it.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Such backward reasoning. Forgiveness for a scab, but disgruntlement for losing 2-3 years in an sli with SWA.

????

Sorry if that's not extremely weird to me.

Sorta reminds me of a guy who built his career because of my scope clause, then moves on and b!tches about the very same scope that let him build time.

:laugh:

 

[humveedriver]

Sorta reminds me of a guy who built his career because of my scope clause, then moves on and b!tches about the very same scope that let him build time.

:laugh:

This career is one big hypocrisy fest and this website is it's manifestation.

 

[madjack]

I'm sure he would have rather not spent ANY time in an underpaid regional, but your right we need scope concessions so guys can build time, brilliant, you should get a job with mgmt...

 

[redflyer65]

Sorta reminds me of a guy who built his career because of my scope clause, then moves on and b!tches about the very same scope that let him build time.

:laugh:

He's as bad as a Scab because he flew trips that you WILLING gave away?

Yea, that's exactly the same Bill. DL scope has been laughable from the beginning. Definitely beneath the Double Breasted Blazer brigade.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

This career is one big hypocrisy fest and this website is it's manifestation.

Truth!

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

He's as bad as a Scab because he flew trips that you WILLING gave away?

Yea, that's exactly the same Bill. DL scope has been laughable from the beginning. Definitely beneath the Double Breasted Blazer brigade.

Throttle back Red.....

I never gave "trips" away. I let Wavey build time....big difference....

TIC

 

[redflyer65]

Didn't your union give it all away, then recently voted for more larger RJ's?

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Less RJs flying now......what part of that don't you get?

 

[PCL_128]

Less RJs flying now......what part of that don't you get?

I don't think he gets much of anything. Not the sharpest tool in the shed.

 

[waveflyer]

Sorta reminds me of a guy who built his career because of my scope clause, then moves on and b!tches about the very same scope that let him build time.

:laugh:

Good flame willie- bc I'll respond- but that's flame and just shows how little integrity you have.

Did delta outsource more seats while they had pilots on furlough?

Yes or no?

Bc I lived it and when a group decides to do that- I don't owe those senior SELLOUTS an explanation.
I really don't.

Funny, I didn't know I BUILT my career on outsourcing. I had my turbine PIC from other sources before my legacy job

 

[waveflyer]

Less RJs flying now......what part of that don't you get?

The part where the 50 seaters were going away anyway and you voted to reload that whipsaw market with more efficient, more profitable, larger RJ's so you could get a contract that matches SWA in 2015.

 

[waveflyer]

I don't think he gets much of anything. Not the sharpest tool in the shed.

This ought to be thread drift you'd be opinionated about. Why are you feeding the delta/SWA hater line, when we're talking about one of your most senior pilots who was a scab and celebrated. Shame on valujet for hiring him and shame on SWA for celebrating him.

Surely there are fantastic characters without that past at air tran that we could have celebrated before him

 

[tankerhead]

This ought to be thread drift you'd be opinionated about. Why are you feeding the delta/SWA hater line, when we're talking about one of your most senior pilots who was a scab and celebrated. Shame on valujet for hiring him and shame on SWA for celebrating him.

Surely there are fantastic characters without that past at air tran that we could have celebrated before him

Yup, he is a one-trick pony, a totally annoying embarrassment, who thinks his sh1t doesn't stink. And a scab to top that off. What was SWA thinking?

The other harmonica player ain't a whole lot better, although he did make me laugh when he tried to arrange a threesome with the two twenty-something FA's and completely ignored the gal that was his age and might have actually boned him. All on the van ride.

Face-palm.

 

[PCL_128]

This ought to be thread drift you'd be opinionated about. Why are you feeding the delta/SWA hater line, when we're talking about one of your most senior pilots who was a scab and celebrated. Shame on valujet for hiring him and shame on SWA for celebrating him.

I've only met MD in passing, so it's not really something for me to be opinionated about. As for SWA celebrating him, that's not really a surprise. Why would SWA care about our issues of trade unionism? They don't care if someone crossed a picket line. But I'm definitely not surprised that he got the recognition. The first AirTran flight that VdV flew on was flown by MD, and he just gushed about how wonderful the harmonica playing was. He said something about how perfectly MD would fit into the SWA CULTure. It was inevitable that there would be recognition for him after that.

 

[redflyer65]

I don't think he gets much of anything. Not the sharpest tool in the shed.

A guy that actually paid for his first flying job (30 thousand?) chiming in about outsourcing? You might not want to look in the mirror regarding the sharpest TOOL. I'm surprised you opened your mouth, but then again you had to flex your wit. Or lack there of.

I'm sorry SW crushed your dreams of staying in Herndon. Maybe you could work there as a administrative assistant. But then you'd have to join a different union. Haha.

 

[redflyer65]

The part where the 50 seaters were going away anyway and you voted to reload that whipsaw market with more efficient, more profitable, larger RJ's so you could get a contract that matches SWA in 2015.

Bingo. Most of the Delta pilots never understood that angle. They just saw the pay raises. As usual.

I have more respect for those that voted NO. But their just weren't enough of them.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Good luck to you Red and Wavey....let's see what your section 6 results are before you start crowing!