No growth at SW until 2016 now

[Citrusflyer]

Lee Moak says it best: "'Independent union' is an oxymoron."

You guys are going to get your asses handed to you in Section 6, and it's largely because you refuse to be a part of the organization that has the experience in dealing with the kind of management that you now have. You'll learn. But the lessons will have a price.

Because ... ALPA (via Airtran and the SLI) dealt so well with SW management in the past couple of years?

 

[Crash Pad]

PNCL I noticed your posts are up. Are you flying on reserve now or just bored?

 

[waveflyer]

Lee Moak says it best: "'Independent union' is an oxymoron."

You guys are going to get your asses handed to you in Section 6, and it's largely because you refuse to be a part of the organization that has the experience in dealing with the kind of management that you now have. You'll learn. But the lessons will have a price.

That's true

We will

I just assume you're right bc of everything youve been right about so far since becoming SWA

(You should stop "guzzling" alpa juice man)

 

[madjack]

Well someone else said it about SWAPA: I'd rather pay 1% to a completely useless union bureaucracy then 2% for the same service from ALPA.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Where has SWAPA been on Capitol Hill.....Do they know the address?

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Tens of thousands of jobs outsourced from Delta and Bill is talking about crew meals and how we should thank him. Pretty interesting.

Thank you Red for setting the bar on pension standards.....you guys are heroes!

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Wave, read this again. It's a fair observation. The whole controversy over feed vs jobs is not as cut and dry as you make it. RJ's do create mainline jobs by providing feed. Yes it's gone too far, but no one could have forecasted what was ahead when that cat got let out of the bag (9/11, bankruptcies and economy crashing).
As far as SWAPA goes, I have nothing against independent unions, but SWAPA has simply been a follower, not a leader. They were able to build on the foundation that was built by ALPA. Their success has been a result of dealing with a benevolent management team and SWA's business plan of filling the LCC niche when there was room to grow, not through being better than ALPA

Well said......Wavey has a short memory.

 

[redflyer65]

Thank you Red for setting the bar on pension standards.....you guys are heroes!

Why would we ever want a pension after Herb offered a 401k with massive stock options that were worth several million?

Which would you take if you do it over again 20 years ago?

SWAPA has been on Capital Hill for years Bill. Are you really that clueless?

 

[redflyer65]

Lee Moak says it best: "'Independent union' is an oxymoron."

You guys are going to get your asses handed to you in Section 6, and it's largely because you refuse to be a part of the organization that has the experience in dealing with the kind of management that you now have. You'll learn. But the lessons will have a price.

Get our ass handed to us? Are you really that stupid, or that just what you dream at night because the hatred for GK/SW/and SWAPA.

Have you seen our current contract? Think we will give anything back with a company making a healthy profit? ALPA has never been able to achieve what SWAPA has. Especially regarding RJ codeshare...or ANY codeshare for that matter. ALPA has stood by and signed off on all of it. Like those SkyWest RJ's you had flying for you at AirTran.

The ALPA national model has been broken for years, exactly as SWA Bubba stated above. Top heavy, inefficient, and at times corrupt. SWAPA has had it's issues, but it always been much better than ALPA (and less expensive).

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Why would we ever want a pension after Herb offered a 401k with massive stock options that were worth several million?

Which would you take if you do it over again 20 years ago?

SWAPA has been on Capital Hill for years Bill. Are you really that clueless?

Red, your options fairy tale wasn't for everybody....be truthful.

A pension for sure! Stock options are worthless, trust me, my company gave me out to us. Ya gambled and won...a pension, at THAT time was a sure thing.

Name one thing on Capitol Hill SWAPA was behind besides pushing for age 65 and I'll stand down.

KCM? No.....
Abu Dhabi customs?.....try again.
Bankruptcy reform?.....not this time....

 

[redflyer65]

Ya, you won with the pension!

401k was always your money to do whatever you wanted with...the pension was never yours unless you made retirement. Many guys found out the difference..and it sucked the life out of their retirement. Admit it. Many guys making a grand total of 40k a year in retirement from the Pension Board. Sounds like a great plan dude.

 

[FlyinGuy]

Lee Moak says it best: "'Independent union' is an oxymoron."

You guys are going to get your asses handed to you in Section 6, and it's largely because you refuse to be a part of the organization that has the experience in dealing with the kind of management that you now have. You'll learn. But the lessons will have a price.

Boy that was easy.... I stand by my ALPAzombie statement!!!

 

[PCL_128]

Because ... ALPA (via Airtran and the SLI) dealt so well with SW management in the past couple of years?

ALPA provides the resources. Local reps either use them or don't. Our MC didn't. The results speak for themselves.

 

[PCL_128]

PNCL I noticed your posts are up. Are you flying on reserve now or just bored?

Eh, I take breaks and then come back here on occasion. Only so much of waveflyer that I can take.

But no, still not flying much at all.

 

[PCL_128]

Have you seen our current contract?

Yep. Never been impressed by it.

ALPA has never been able to achieve what SWAPA has.

Easily the most ignorant thing ever said on Flightinfo. SWAPA still hasn't achieved the pay rates that ALPA achieved in the late '90s, even with the nonstop profitability of your company. That's pathetic. SWAPA has never accomplished much of anything, besides riding on ALPA coattails.

 

[redflyer65]

You mean the codeshare part?

Riding on coat tails? That's funny, and clueless at the same time.

So how exactly will we get 'our ass handed to us?'

 

[livin'thesim]

The biggest leverage mgmt gave us? They gave themselves raises....

That is a justification. But it isn't leverage.

 

[Citrusflyer]

ALPA provides the resources. Local reps either use them or don't. Our MC didn't. The results speak for themselves.

So, on one hand we have an organization that "has the experience in dealing with [sic] management" solely capable of keeping Section 6 on the side of labor ... and on the other hand it's - "well, the local MEC sucked" it's not our fault.

There's 2% I'll never see a return on.

 

[livin'thesim]

Once again, you talk "WE" like you play on a pro sports team. WE won, or WE lost....hopefully WE will get into the Super Bowl. You were buzzing around in an RJ that our scope relief provided. You should say thank you Bill.....

Don't get me started on who put pressure on who.....SWA was the model for all of our pension cuts and productivity changes in Bankruptcy. Like it or not, your model was what management wanted.....no pensions, higher productivity, no meals, pay for training....the list goes on and on.

Yeah, he's pretty quick to throw on the ALPA jersey and try and pretend he actually participated in the super bowl.

But every sports team has a bunch of duffers down at the local bar swilling beer and imagining themselves to be participating in the reflected achievements of others.

Cartman should just have another plate of cheesy fries.

 

[HowardBorden]

Name one thing on Capitol Hill SWAPA was behind besides pushing for age 65 and I'll stand down.

KCM? No.....
Abu Dhabi customs?.....try again.
Bankruptcy reform?.....not this time....

Prepare to stand down Bill because three strikes and you're out!

TSA To Begin Testing Crewmember Identity Verification Program

"More efficient, updated and secure systems for commercial aviation are long overdue and we are proud to partner with regulators, Southwest Airlines and other organizations to improve the screening process for all professional flight crews," said Captain Steve Chase, President of the Southwest Airlines Pilots' Association. "Our flight crews are professionals and trusted agents and should be permitted to have greater ease of movement about the airport while on duty."
http://www.aero-news.net/subsite.cfm?do=main.textpost&id=2e42e7de-173d-4aa2-a49f-f90e31f112cf

First flight from Abu Dhabi Pre-clearance facility marks sad day for U.S. airline industry

DALLAS, Jan. 24, 2014 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Today marks a sad day for the U.S. airline industry, as the Southwest Airlines Pilots' Association (SWAPA) learned that the first flight from Abu Dhabi to the United States was operated utilizing the Customs and Border Patrol's Pre-Clearance facility located at the Abu Dhabi airport.
"Southwest pilots stand together with industry and labor partners to express our dismay at the federal government's regrettable actions in choosing to open this unnecessary pre-clearance facility at Abu Dhabi," said Captain Mark Richardson, SWAPA President. "We are more than willing to compete against any airline in the world, including state-sponsored Middle East entities. However, Middle East entities that already enjoy generous state sponsorship should not receive additional government support from the U.S. taxpayer. We oppose our own government tilting the playing field further against U.S. airlines."
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...ad-day-for-us-airline-industry-241892581.html

[House Hearing, 111 Congress]
PROTECTING EMPLOYEES IN AIRLINE BANKRUPTCIES

"On behalf of our members, I want to address the urgent need to correct an unfair difference in the way airline employees are treated in Chapter 11 bankruptcies from rail employees covered under Railway Labor Act. In bankruptcy filings, railroad labor contracts administered under the RLA cannot be unilaterally abrogated, while airline labor contracts under the RLA are subject to judicially approved abrogation."
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CHRG-111hhrg54077/html/CHRG-111hhrg54077.htm