No growth at SW until 2016 now

[Jim]

So you're saying the Usair East West thing is all scab mentality actions?

East actions - yes.

 

[71driver]

The first deal Had ATL fenced for 10 years, IMHO it would have passed (SWA BOD 19-0 vote) on both sides...SWAPA has no problem with fences...this group are sheep and will do whatever the Co. wants, not even sure why we have a "union"??? Maybe the AAI guys and the merger in General will put a little backbone in the group...

Madjack...don't count on it....too many Pilots at Airtran don't know what the term "collective voice" means they're too busy protecting their "rice bowl"...oh but they'll complain mind you,but that's about it

 

[PCL_128]

Absolutely not. Majority rules in a union. The majority have full control over what jets get paid what. The fact the company would love cheaper widebody rates, would simply make it easy.

Look, it's not happening, but don't say it can't, reference the USair pilots issues.

Like I said, I hope everyone in SWAPA believes as you do. I'll end up a very rich man, and SWAPA will end up very bankrupt.

 

[livin'thesim]

Glad to hear it!

Can we make you a "We Are SWAPA" avatar to replace your current one when that day comes?

Bubba

How about an "I WAS ALPA" avatar with a sad face?

 

[PCL_128]

Glad to hear it!

Can we make you a "We Are SWAPA" avatar to replace your current one when that day comes?

Bubba

No thanks. I'll pay, but I'll bitch about it constantly.

 

[Dan Roman]

Demonstrating scab mentality? That's a new one.

So you're saying the Usair East West thing is all scab mentality actions?

I never said we would fly your struck work. Nice straw man attack though.

Look, I'm not the one threatening to force a fence, you threw that gauntlet down, I'm just telling you we have the votes to decide what the airframes get paid, choose wisely. A fence longer than a few years would not be in anyone's best interest, so get over it.


Like I said, none of this is going to happen, SWA is too gun shy right now.

You don't get it, but yes what your proposing is just as detrimental to the profession as broken strikes are. Odd you would use USAPA to justify your position??? I threw it out there in response to a SWA pilot talking about buying Hawaiian, BTW. So I didn't start it. It is in fact what should happen and probably would. The fact that you have a problem with it would indicate you somehow think if SWA bought HA that SWA pilots that would want to move to Hawaii should be free to just displace Hawaiian pilots. You would be in for a rude awakening.
Again, Bubba, this is what I mean that there is a SWAPA mentality that is more about themselves then the profession as a whole, whereas ALPA has at least contributed to the profession as a whole, SWAPA, not so much.

 

[Dan Roman]

And Score, you are right, I don't think it's going to happen anymore than you, but this all started when Wave actually thought it could. I enjoy debates when I have an strong advantage!:beer:

 

[scoreboardII]

No problem, just adding a counterpoint showing that when you push folks into a corner, they can do some interesting stuff, and not at all what was expected.

 

[Dan Roman]

No problem, just adding a counterpoint showing that when you push folks into a corner, they can do some interesting stuff, and not at all what was expected.

Fair enough

 

[freightdogfred]

No problem, just adding a counterpoint showing that when you push folks into a corner, they can do some interesting stuff, and not at all what was expected.

Good point. Kinda like a petulant child that burns down the house when he's refused an ice cream cone.

 

[canyonblue]

....eyes off the pizza, mate. God made you lactose-intolerant for a reason, yeah? So fat. So fat.

 

[SWA Bubba]

Good point. Kinda like a petulant child that burns down the house when he's refused an ice cream cone.

Wait...

Are you talking about Scoreboard here,... or PCL?

Bubba

 

[dicko]

NEVER want ALPA again! 12 years=no thanks!

Lets focus on growth, no RJS (unless SWA pilots fly them), 401k to 11-12%, and transfer profit sharing to 401K immediately! Profit Sharing to check or 401K ! Trip trading improved (its 2014 not 1970s), buddy passes electronic, (overnighting passes? 1980s).

12% ........ ? You've got to be kidding me ! Unless you meant in addition to a 4% B Fund.

 

[PCL_128]

12% ........ ? You've got to be kidding me ! Unless you meant in addition to a 4% B Fund.

Learn to live with it, dicko. This spineless bunch will always trail the rest of the industry.

 

[madjack]

Spineless, that's rich, outnegotiated; that has happened, the company wants PBS and code share, like the rest of the legacies,

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Spineless, that's rich, outnegotiated; that has happened, the company wants PBS and code share, like the rest of the legacies,

Bahahahaaaaaa....you make it sound like you believe you aren't a legacy now.

Talk about arrogance or ignorance.....I believe the latter.

 

[waveflyer]

You haven't begun to see arrogance Bill- that's what always scares you- we tend to back it up.

And you guys keep hating

$$$

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

You are always a good sparring partner Wavey but c'mon....Say it....sayyyyyy it.....you are a legacy now! (At least Gary thinks so)

Work with me....

 

[waveflyer]

Haha
Thought you'd be offended if we tried to take on that term-

Legacies have been around twice as long as us.

 

[fr8doggie]

Haha
Thought you'd be offended if we tried to take on that term-

Legacies have been around twice as long as us.

True. But I'd say 40+ years is long enough to join the club. Your management certainly has it down pat.

Regards,
Fr8-

 

[waveflyer]

Having worked for a legacy and southwest- I don't share that opinion.

And I also don't use legacy as a curse word. A lot of great careers and history have been made at legacies. Still available as well.
As a company we are like a legacy in the 60's-80's, just heading into our period of international expansion and still young enough to be highly influenced by the leaders who built the place.

And I 110% will take Gary over any other airline exec in this industry. Say what you will, but GK has presided over and protected our wages as te HIGHEST PAID 73 drivers, while Herb had our originals as some of the lowest with good stock options.
Different eras, but GK could've pushed and gotten something out of our contract in '09. He chose not to, and has made the hard choices to get SWA into 2014 and take us in a historic direction while taking huge criticism over a stagnate 5 year plan.

If I get frustrated with accountant leadership, that's fine- I respect him doing what he has to for all of us.
And it's a far cry from Smiskek and Parker's airlines

 

[freightdogfred]

Having worked for a legacy and southwest- I don't share that opinion.

And I also don't use legacy as a curse word. A lot of great careers and history have been made at legacies. Still available as well.
As a company we are like a legacy in the 60's-80's, just heading into our period of international expansion and still young enough to be highly influenced by the leaders who built the place.

And I 110% will take Gary over any other airline exec in this industry. Say what you will, but GK has presided over and protected our wages as te HIGHEST PAID 73 drivers, while Herb had our originals as some of the lowest with good stock options.
Different eras, but GK could've pushed and gotten something out of our contract in '09. He chose not to, and has made the hard choices to get SWA into 2014 and take us in a historic direction while taking huge criticism over a stagnate 5 year plan.

If I get frustrated with accountant leadership, that's fine- I respect him doing what he has to for all of us.
And it's a far cry from Smiskek and Parker's airlines

I agree. I've been buying a LOT of LUV stock and it's been doing quite nicely GK is making all the right moves like getting rid of that pesky 717. I'm seeing the "Game changer" showing up on more an more ramps. Even the usual suspects that post here have confirmed that SWAPA will fold like a cheap suit when the time comes so labor will not be an issue for GK. All things considered, substantial growth is inevitable.

 

[Crash Pad]

Clearly you don't fly on the Airtran side of the fence. It is common knowledge over here that SWA will be bankrupt in the coming years. Here is a short list of the reasons:
1. Single Engine Taxi: sure you do it now but not enough.
2. International: SWA can't and never will be able to fly international
3. 717s: clearly the most profitable aircraft in the history of aviation and GK just gave them away
4. Cowboy attitude: as seen in the deviation data, clearly subpar pilots and an accident waiting to happen when SWA attempts to fly international.
5. Business class: despite what you might read in the WSJ, SWA will never carry a business traveler without business class. It has never been done in the history of aviation. When a business traveler books a ticket they only look for business seats, it's science.
6. XM Radio: Without it you might as well drive.
7. Bag Fees: Without bag fees it is impossible to be a profitable airline.
8. ETOPS: SWA isn't and will never be an ETOPS carrier. It will be impossible to unlock the billions in Hawaii without ETOPS.

I could go on and on but after flying a four day it is clear that the only smart investment is shorting LUV.

Look at flagship legacies like United. SE taxi, ETOPS, Europe, Hawaii, Asia, inflight movies, arbitrated SLI, Business class, bag fees.... Clearly a better airline for your investment dollar.

 

[freightdogfred]

Clearly you don't fly on the Airtran side of the fence. It is common knowledge over here that SWA will be bankrupt in the coming years. Here is a short list of the reasons:
1. Single Engine Taxi: sure you do it now but not enough.
2. International: SWA can't and never will be able to fly international
3. 717s: clearly the most profitable aircraft in the history of aviation and GK just gave them away
4. Cowboy attitude: as seen in the deviation data, clearly subpar pilots and an accident waiting to happen when SWA attempts to fly international.
5. Business class: despite what you might read in the WSJ, SWA will never carry a business traveler without business class. It has never been done in the history of aviation. When a business traveler books a ticket they only look for business seats, it's science.
6. XM Radio: Without it you might as well drive.
7. Bag Fees: Without bag fees it is impossible to be a profitable airline.
8. ETOPS: SWA isn't and will never be an ETOPS carrier. It will be impossible to unlock the billions in Hawaii without ETOPS.

I could go on and on but after flying a four day it is clear that the only smart investment is shorting LUV.

Look at flagship legacies like United. SE taxi, ETOPS, Europe, Hawaii, Asia, inflight movies, arbitrated SLI, Business class, bag fees.... Clearly a better airline for your investment dollar.

Valid points all, but the proof is in the pudding. As long as Wall Street likes GK, Peachtree Street likes him too.

 

[madjack]

The rumors of the death of SWA have been greatly exaggerated...OBTW UAL does all these things and is LOSING money....

 

[redflyer65]

I've been buying a LOT of LUV stock and it's been doing quite nicely

I'm up 150%. How are you doing?

 

[CA1900]

I could go on and on but after flying a four day it is clear that the only smart investment is shorting LUV.

Look at flagship legacies like United. SE taxi, ETOPS, Europe, Hawaii, Asia, inflight movies, arbitrated SLI, Business class, bag fees.... Clearly a better airline for your investment dollar.

:laugh:

Well done.

 

[freightdogfred]

I'm up 150%. How are you doing?

It's doubled. I wish I'd sunk everything I had into it.

 

[jonjuan]

It's doubled. I wish I'd sunk everything I had into it.

I wish I bought more apple in 2008.

 

[FlyinGuy]

I wish I put everything in Enron like unkle Kenny was telling his employees!!

Who cares if you made a few bucks on LUV. Play the market and sometimes you win and sometimes...you know...