NJ Recalls

[gunfyter]

Response to orginal post of Jan 2013 when I said NJ woudl start recalling this year. So I was off a year, big thread 46 pages

You should be in our management... we would be better off ... Thats when they needed to start recalls.

But they rather lobby for selloffs and scope concessions

 

[acaTerry]

just lie about your education.....no one ever checks.

i have a 4 yr degree but i wrote down 2 masters degrees on my app and got the job.

no one ever checked about it.

do what you gotta do to get hired, just make sure if you lie about your college you better be the best pilot in the hangar.

A little quote from the ATP requirements:

Sec. 61.153 ? Eligibility requirements: General.

To be eligible for an airline transport pilot certificate, a person must:
(a) Be at least 23 years of age;

(b) Be able to read, speak, write, and understand the English language. If the applicant is unable to meet one of these requirements due to medical reasons, then the Administrator may place such operating limitations on that applicant's pilot certificate as are necessary for the safe operation of the aircraft;

(c) Be of good moral character;

(d) Meet at least one of the following requirements:




Looks like you blew that one. I wonder how many qualified and honest pilots were not considered for jobs because of liars. Good to know we're in good company out there. No wonder so many people don't like professional pilots.
"Do what you have to do to get the job"? I would expect that to mean you go out, better yourself and EARN it. Get QUALIFIED, not steal it through lies and trickery.
College degree is not the issue here, but geez, what the hell? You're proud of this?

.

 

[av8trinabarrel]

A little quote from the ATP requirements:

Sec. 61.153 ? Eligibility requirements: General.

To be eligible for an airline transport pilot certificate, a person must:
(a) Be at least 23 years of age;

(b) Be able to read, speak, write, and understand the English language. If the applicant is unable to meet one of these requirements due to medical reasons, then the Administrator may place such operating limitations on that applicant's pilot certificate as are necessary for the safe operation of the aircraft;

(c) Be of good moral character;

(d) Meet at least one of the following requirements:




Looks like you blew that one. I wonder how many qualified and honest pilots were not considered for jobs because of liars. Good to know we're in good company out there. No wonder so many people don't like professional pilots.
"Do what you have to do to get the job"? I would expect that to mean you go out, better yourself and EARN it. Get QUALIFIED, not steal it through lies and trickery.
College degree is not the issue here, but geez, what the hell? You're proud of this?

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I would wager the green ink cartridge ran dry for broke that day he posted.

 

[brokeflyer]

A little quote from the ATP requirements:

Sec. 61.153 ? Eligibility requirements: General.

To be eligible for an airline transport pilot certificate, a person must:
(a) Be at least 23 years of age;

(b) Be able to read, speak, write, and understand the English language. If the applicant is unable to meet one of these requirements due to medical reasons, then the Administrator may place such operating limitations on that applicant's pilot certificate as are necessary for the safe operation of the aircraft;

(c) Be of good moral character;

(d) Meet at least one of the following requirements:




Looks like you blew that one. I wonder how many qualified and honest pilots were not considered for jobs because of liars. Good to know we're in good company out there. No wonder so many people don't like professional pilots.
"Do what you have to do to get the job"? I would expect that to mean you go out, better yourself and EARN it. Get QUALIFIED, not steal it through lies and trickery.
College degree is not the issue here, but geez, what the hell? You're proud of this?

.

those are just for eligibility. Once you get it that dont apply.

 

[gutshotdraw]

A little quote from the ATP requirements:

Sec. 61.153 ? Eligibility requirements: General.

To be eligible for an airline transport pilot certificate, a person must:
(a) Be at least 23 years of age;

(b) Be able to read, speak, write, and understand the English language. If the applicant is unable to meet one of these requirements due to medical reasons, then the Administrator may place such operating limitations on that applicant's pilot certificate as are necessary for the safe operation of the aircraft;

(c) Be of good moral character;

(d) Meet at least one of the following requirements:




Looks like you blew that one. I wonder how many qualified and honest pilots were not considered for jobs because of liars. Good to know we're in good company out there. No wonder so many people don't like professional pilots.
"Do what you have to do to get the job"? I would expect that to mean you go out, better yourself and EARN it. Get QUALIFIED, not steal it through lies and trickery.
College degree is not the issue here, but geez, what the hell? You're proud of this?

.

Hell T, if we applied 61.153(c) around here, we'd probably be down to a few hundred pilots.....:nuts:

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

those are just for eligibility. Once you get it that dont apply.

We as pilots should not be suprised that the moral decline that is in full swing in society doesn't skip the pilot profession.

I wouldn't be so proud of this falsification. Every job I have had checked my school records for accuracy.

If you are caught lying on your application expect to be terminated.

We had a pilot recently terminated who applied for another position within the company. They did some research on what he claimed to have done on his resume and found out it was all a fabrication. Not only did he not get the job he was applying for, he was terminated from his current position as well.

If you are willing to lie on your application that goes to show that you don't believe in rules. I myself would never want you in my crew as there is no place for this type of attitude in our profession.

Grow up.

 

[jetlag7]

We as pilots should not be suprised that the moral decline that is in full swing in society doesn't skip the pilot profession.

I wouldn't be so proud of this falsification. Every job I have had checked my school records for accuracy.

If you are caught lying on your application expect to be terminated.

We had a pilot recently terminated who applied for another position within the company. They did some research on what he claimed to have done on his resume and found out it was all a fabrication. Not only did he not get the job he was applying for, he was terminated from his current position as well.

If you are willing to lie on your application that goes to show that you don't believe in rules. I myself would never want you in my crew as there is no place for this type of attitude in our profession.

Grow up.

+1 Excellent post

 

[brokeflyer]

We as pilots should not be suprised that the moral decline that is in full swing in society doesn't skip the pilot profession.

I wouldn't be so proud of this falsification. Every job I have had checked my school records for accuracy.

If you are caught lying on your application expect to be terminated.

We had a pilot recently terminated who applied for another position within the company. They did some research on what he claimed to have done on his resume and found out it was all a fabrication. Not only did he not get the job he was applying for, he was terminated from his current position as well.

If you are willing to lie on your application that goes to show that you don't believe in rules. I myself would never want you in my crew as there is no place for this type of attitude in our profession.

Grow up.

lighten up francis, you really believe what i wrote was the truth then maybe you need a vacation. just sayin'

 

[doh]

lighten up francis, you really believe what i wrote was the truth then maybe you need a vacation. just sayin'

I thought it was hilarious! Because I knew the holier than thou tools wouldn't get it! And "those are just for eligibility. Once you get it that dont apply."...bwwwaaaaahahahahaha!:beer:

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

TWA
"If you are willing to lie on your application that goes to show that you don't believe in rules. I myself would never want you in my crew as there is no place for this type of attitude in our profession."
Well said . It's after you are hired that they want to "bend" the rules and operate in the grey area. How can you continue to plan to operate after 14 hours when you don't have 10 hours of rest in the previous 24? Do you get paid OT for it? That's bribery or selfishness depending on what side you are on.

 

[fly4funcrj]

Lemme give ya a tiny piece of advice when you run into a recalled guy...

For many the last 4 years have been a fight for life.... The current negotiations are small potatoes when compared to the furlough

No advice necessary. I've been furloughed 3 times so far in my career. I know full well what it's like.. Sadly many folks went from flying light twins to netjets and do not know what it's like.. I welcome any and all furloughed pilots back to the property. From what I hear, recurrent training paints a very pretty picture and makes it sound like life on the road is not bad and the company loves them..

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

TWA
"If you are willing to lie on your application that goes to show that you don't believe in rules. I myself would never want you in my crew as there is no place for this type of attitude in our profession."
Well said . It's after you are hired that they want to "bend" the rules and operate in the grey area. How can you continue to plan to operate after 14 hours when you don't have 10 hours of rest in the previous 24? Do you get paid OT for it? That's bribery or selfishness depending on what side you are on.

Not sure what rules you operate under, but we cannot plan to continue beyond 14 hours. If there are delays beyond the control of the company you can continue past 14, but get additional rest.

Maybe you feel pressured to bend the rules, but we sure don't.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Don't forget about the OT pay. While in the van from the Holiday Inn Hasbrook Heights, One of your pilots told me he was going over 14 that day and getting paid for it. Sounds like a reward for "bending" the rules.

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

Don't forget about the OT pay. While in the van from the Holiday Inn Hasbrook Heights, One of your pilots told me he was going over 14 that day and getting paid for it. Sounds like a reward for "bending" the rules.

I am aware of our compensation package. We actually get overtime pay starting at 12 hours.

I am not going to argue what was said in a van where I was not present. I will say you probably heard what you wanted to hear so you can once again attack our pilot group.

Not sure why you chose to hijack a thread regarding NJ recalls to once again spew your venom towards me and the FJ pilots. Hopefully you won't be one of the FO pilots that chooses to bid over to FJ this fall. We don't need your attitude attempting to infect our great pilot group.

 

[luckydog]

Don't forget about the OT pay. While in the van from the Holiday Inn Hasbrook Heights, One of your pilots told me he was going over 14 that day and getting paid for it. Sounds like a reward for "bending" the rules.

Crews exceed 14 hours of duty occasionally, so what. They weren't planned for it but things happen. It does happen that a day is planned for 13+45 and the WX forecast is bad so it's not a surprise when the day goes long, but that's not the same thing.

OT at FJ starts at 12 hours of duty, the rate increases slightly after 14 hours. I'm sure after your example crew arrived at the garden spot of the Garden State where they were rewarded with a 12 hour rest block.

You're trying to make something out of nothing. Let this go back to being about the recalls at NJ. The Flexjet haters all hang out in a different thread, see you there.

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

Crews exceed 14 hours of duty occasionally, so what. They weren't planned for it but things happen. It does happen that a day is planned for 13+45 and the WX forecast is bad so it's not a surprise when the day goes long, but that's not the same thing.

OT at FJ starts at 12 hours of duty, the rate increases slightly after 14 hours. I'm sure after your example crew arrived at the garden spot of the Garden State where they were rewarded with a 12 hour rest block.

You're trying to make something out of nothing. Let this go back to being about the recalls at NJ. The Flexjet haters all hang out in a different thread, see you there.

+1 Great post.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

TWA
I really don't care what kind of label you try to put on me , but..I don't spew venom and I'm Not an FJ hater. I stand up for the little guys that get bullied by people like you. I want to see everyone do well. Grow up.

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

TWA
I really don't care what kind of label you try to put on me , but..I don't spew venom and I'm Not an FJ hater. I stand up for the little guys that get bullied by people like you. I want to see everyone do well. Grow up.

What little guys get bullied by me?

I also want everyone to do well, but the only way I see everyone doing well is for us to remain two separate companies.

I am very pro-FJ, but that doesn't make me anti-FO. I don't want a union here at FJ, but most of your pilots I talk to on the road are just like FJ pilots, they just wear a different uniform.

Every group of pilots has their 5-10% that embarrass the company and pilot group when they speak. The other 90-95% of the pilots are great guys that I am sure I would enjoy sharing a cockpit with.

 

[doh]

STOP HIJACKING THE THREAD YOU AHOLES!!!!!:uzi: There is a thread for you to snipe at each other. This is for those of us who are interested in NJ recalls.

 

[acaTerry]

Hell T, if we applied 61.153(c) around here, we'd probably be down to a few hundred pilots.....:nuts:

Just in the the Gulfstreams:laugh:
And the 750....and the 200, the 560, etc