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BentOver said:
If you are referring to yourself as being a complete sissy... Then yes, I believe you have no integrity....

You would do the job for less and less just because you are fearful, and believe all tha BS that managements throw out.....

I'm not advocating a "burn the house down" approach..... But economics dictate what should be acceptable.... CEO's get raises and bonuses all the time when a company is doing well ( regardless if they had any real hand in it). Economy is good, NJA is making money, pilots should get a large piece of that...

End of story..

Yes I think you're wrong, and also know that you are in the very small minority...
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I am not in a small minority in the GV fleet. We talk about this stuff all the time. I would be curious about the other fleets, as they are worked harder and probably have a different mindset as a group.
 
G4dude said:
I am not in a small minority in the GV fleet. We talk about this stuff all the time. I would be curious about the other fleets, as they are worked harder and probably have a different mindset as a group.
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Not so sure...I have experienced only about 50% with your opinion. You guys need to realize that Richard ain't in charge anymore and things are different now.
I'll borrow this clip from another thread...change a couple of the names and you'll get the idea.

https://vimeo.com/107278390
 
brokeflyer said:
you're welcome......go thank a NJA union member for your wonderful job.

better yet, thank a furloughed NJ pilot or a hostage.
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A reasonable post. However, my NJI job was terrific. And the Union forced us to merge. Force seems to be a large component of union activities, force and intimidation. Including sometimes on message boards. :-)
 
G4dude said:
A reasonable post. However, my NJI job was terrific. And the Union forced us to merge. Force seems to be a large component of union activities, force and intimidation. Including sometimes on message boards. :-)
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Based upon your direct observation of our current management team, not to mention their 4 pillars demand, can you say with any confidence that your entire compensation package and QOL would still be the same without the protections of a CBA that was "forced" upon you?
 
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Pervis said:
can you say with any confidence that your entire compensation package and QOL would still be the same without the protections of a CBA that was "forced" upon you?
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Correct if I am wrong, but doesn't G-4 have nearly the same package he had before the forced merger?
 
Semore Butts said:
So Rubber Ducky, I think I get what your saying? The EMT doesn't have the "class" it takes to run this company?

They only understand nickel and dimeing every aspect of the product no matter the negative effect, as long as it is a profit!
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Well what I will say is that I'll still be around when we have a different CEO. There are people in management that I truly respect. So saying the "EMT" doesn't have the "class" is not an accurate summary of my post. Same goes for some people in our union, seems some of our union representatives are helping the company nickel and dime us.

Regardless of who is doing it, Nickel and Dimeing has to stop, and it will stop. There are no more dimes and I'm not giving up my nickels. Will you?
 
Pervis said:
Based upon your direct observation of our current management team, not to mention their 4 pillars demand, can you say with any confidence that your entire compensation package and QOL would still be the same without the protections of a CBA that was "forced" upon you?
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Given that we were forced to merge and under the tender ministrations of CMH, I agree with you that things would be worse without the CBA. However, I also believe things for the NJI people would be as good financially, and with a better company culture and a better quality of life if we had not been forced to merge. Not a big deal, however, as the union seems to be reasonable, as I have said before. So I am content. Just worried a little that the union might press for too much.
 
Praetorian said:
:erm: That's the point you knucklehead.
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What is the point? he has the same or better package?:confused:

BentOver said:
Ignore YIP......it's a losing battle trying to help him figure it all out......:nuts:
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Ok thanks for the tip, I will ignore him, you are right it is hard to figure him out.:laugh:
 
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pilotyip said:
What is the point? he has the same or better package?:confused:
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The point is those who are not protected by a CBA at Netjets have already been forced to take some rather large concessions. Had NJI remained separate, there is no question they would have faced similar or worse.
 
Praetorian said:
Ok I see. You're one of the "special" people.
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Thank you my mom thought so also. And you too are special, we are all special. It is really special that my thread has taken on such a special life, don't ya think?:rolleyes:

BTW I really do wish you the best in your TA, hope it is a win-win outcome where everyone is pleased and no one who just gave up their job for a recall finds themselves on the street again.
 
Time to right this ship, how about a mass rebid in the next CBA. Let's see what everyone's seniority will actually hold. Not going to happen as management like to have there cake and we get it shoves down our throat. Bypass pay for all. Better yet, one level of pay for all. International override for all regardless of equipment, but base pay on one scale.


NJI reaped the benefits of weak scope for years. Why was life so good there? Because of the threat to keep union out. Good for you, enjoy it while you have it, but one level of seniority is conning to a theater near you, and it's a horror show for some. Find yourself a sweet 91 job if your services will be compensated accordingly. The alter ego two carrier plan is over, we are all one unhappy family. Enjoy your crewfood and min rest turns'
 
Some guy said:
...what is it you are all looking for?

SG
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Southwest +1%. If they can make that much flying trailer trash around then we're worth at least that flying the heads of capitalism around. I've been back on property for a little over 48 hours after almost five years on the street. Our new contract will be 2007 IBB +++ or I'll vote to strike.
 
Are you seeing any recalled furloughees leaving airline jobs (i.e., low-cost carriers and legacies) to return to Netjets? Which airlines are they coming from besides regionals?
 
johnsonrod said:
Are you seeing any recalled furloughees leaving airline jobs (i.e., low-cost carriers and legacies) to return to Netjets? Which airlines are they coming from besides regionals?
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Just the opposite. We're seeing line pilots of relatively decent seniority leaving the company for all kinds of airlines including Spirit and (gulp) Allegiant.

Most of the returning furloughed pilots have been riding it out at charter companies, small Part 91 corporate gigs, a few at the regionals, and a fair number that were unfortunately out of a cockpit entirely. And we're damn glad to have them back.

But I can't imagine a soul at any decent LCC or legacy airline leaving to come back to NetJets. There are plenty of reasons why the recall acceptance rate is south of 40%. And falling.
 
gutshotdraw said:
Just the opposite. We're seeing line pilots of relatively decent seniority leaving the company for all kinds of airlines including Spirit and (gulp) Allegiant.

Most of the returning furloughed pilots have been riding it out at charter companies, small Part 91 corporate gigs, a few at the regionals, and a fair number that were unfortunately out of a cockpit entirely. And we're damn glad to have them back.

But I can't imagine a soul at any decent LCC or legacy airline leaving to come back to NetJets. There are plenty of reasons why the recall acceptance rate is south of 40%. And falling.
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I hope the fractional industry doesn't lower the required minimums because of this. :erm:
 
Downwind said:
Southwest +1%. If they can make that much flying trailer trash around then we're worth at least that flying the heads of capitalism around. I've been back on property for a little over 48 hours after almost five years on the street. Our new contract will be 2007 IBB +++ or I'll vote to strike.
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Don't you guys ride on SWA?
 
Downwind said:
Southwest +1%. If they can make that much flying trailer trash around then we're worth at least that flying the heads of capitalism around. I've been back on property for a little over 48 hours after almost five years on the street. Our new contract will be 2007 IBB +++ or I'll vote to strike.
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Welcome back! We look forward to when everyone has their chance to return. You've been back for 8 minutes and are all set to burn the place to the ground already. I will agree that you guys are worth every penny and then some; but after 5 years you're back demanding more. If you haven't found better in 5 years, would you agree that this is on of the better places to be employed? By all means negotiate what you're worth, but you being in strike mode after 48 hours is sad.

SG
 

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