NJ Recalls

[imacdog]

I'm glad you have faith, 'cause I haven't met too many people willing to vote down a pay raise because of some provision for the furloughed pilots (who weren't there in 2005, so they're not real NJA pilots anyway).

 

[amaineiac]

Where do ya'll get these bizarre ideas?

Have some faith my friend.

We get these crazy ideas when we're in the van with a NJA crew, mention to the older captain that we're one of the "495" and get a blank stare in return. After an awkward few seconds, his FO tells him, "he's one of our furloughed guys".....and he still seems a bit confused that NJA still has guys on the street.

Or another time when I'm chatting with an FO that flat out tells me he doesn't see us ever coming back and his only concern is getting bypass pay for some seniority injustice he perceived happend when NJI joined NJA.

Having said that, most of the guys I run into are great and when they find out I'm furloughed, genuinely seem interested in the new company I'm working for and ask how I'm doing. They also say they would never sell us out and can't wait for us to get back on the property.

So I have faith, but the small (I hope) number of DB's over there scare the heck out of me.

 

[jetlag7]

We get these crazy ideas when we're in the van with a NJA crew, mention to the older captain that we're one of the "495" and get a blank stare in return. After an awkward few seconds, his FO tells him, "he's one of our furloughed guys".....and he still seems a bit confused that NJA still has guys on the street.

Or another time when I'm chatting with an FO that flat out tells me he doesn't see us ever coming back and his only concern is getting bypass pay for some seniority injustice he perceived happend when NJI joined NJA.

Having said that, most of the guys I run into are great and when they find out I'm furloughed, genuinely seem interested in the new company I'm working for and ask how I'm doing. They also say they would never sell us out and can't wait for us to get back on the property.

So I have faith, but the small (I hope) number of DB's over there scare the heck out of me.

That's certainly understandable, but believe me - they are clearly the minority and the rest of us are working really hard to bring them around..... 1 DB at a time....

 

[727C47]

odds are the 495 would be grandfathered anyway even if there is a change in the furlough section of a new CBA.

 

[OPECJet]

odds are the 495 would be grandfathered anyway even if there is a change in the furlough section of a new CBA.

Only if that grandfathering is negotiated in. Historically that hasn't happened.

 

[RJ Bum]

(who weren't there in 2005, so they're not real NJA pilots anyway).

that about sums it up, doesn't it? ... nice. unity my a$$

 

[jetlag7]

I'm glad you have faith, 'cause I haven't met too many people willing to vote down a pay raise because of some provision for the furloughed pilots (who weren't there in 2005, so they're not real NJA pilots anyway).

Again, where do these bizarre ideas come from?? I wasn't there in 2005 either and have never been treated like I didn't belong.

 

[OPECJet]

Again, where do these bizarre ideas come from?? I wasn't there in 2005 either and have never been treated like I didn't belong.

Same here. I heard stories from some of the other guys before the furlough but never experienced it. Never paid for a beer after it was announced and had dinner bought a few times. Didn't want any of that but it was almost like survivors guilt.

 

[jetlag7]

To keep up with demand, the company is selling-off flights at an ever accelerating rate.... (and this is the historical "slow season")

Just my opinion, but from what I can see, it looks like they might hit the threshold to trigger a recall before the year is up...

Of course, it will probably be nothing more than a "paper recall" to allow for additional sell-offs, but at least those recalled "on paper" (no matter how short-lived before being placed back on "Furloughed" status) will be entitled to 2 months of their NJ salary...

Might be a nice Christmas present for a few....

 

[DC-4]

To keep up with demand, the company is selling-off flights at an ever accelerating rate.... (and this is the historical "slow season")

Just my opinion, but from what I can see, it looks like they might hit the threshold to trigger a recall before the year is up...

Of course, it will probably be nothing more than a "paper recall" to allow for additional sell-offs, but at least those recalled "on paper" (no matter how short-lived before being placed back on "Furloughed" status) will be entitled to 2 months of their NJ salary...

Might be a nice Christmas present for a few....

Not that I doubt you or question your information. But we have hear these rumors so many times, I am wondering were your data comes from. Thanks for the information.

 

[imacdog]

There will never be recalls due to selloffs. The company will sell off as much as they please and still be magically under the threshold each quarter.

 

[jetlag7]

Not that I doubt you or question your information. But we have hear these rumors so many times, I am wondering were your data comes from. Thanks for the information.

The company posts sell-off information on a daily basis... This information is accessible to every crewmember.

Providing specific numbers violates the employee confidentiality agreement but I can safely say they are selling-off more than is typical this time of year.

Judging by the "action packed" schedules I've been briefed for as well as information from other crewmembers, I'd say my beliefs aren't too far fetched.

 

[jetlag7]

There will never be recalls due to selloffs. The company will sell off as much as they please and still be magically under the threshold each quarter.

I suppose they could play that game... However, considering there are a MULTITUDE of very effective methods to track those flights (outside company influence) they would have to be damn confident the damages awarded to the pilots after their day in court would not surpass the short-term gains they might enjoy by employing such a strategy....

 

[DC-4]

The company posts sell-off information on a daily basis... This information is accessible to every crewmember.

Providing specific numbers violates the employee confidentiality agreement but I can safely say they are selling-off more than is typical this time of year.

Judging by the "action packed" schedules I've been briefed for as well as information from other crewmembers, I'd say my beliefs aren't too far fetched.

I hope you do not think I was questioning you because I was not. I am a furloughed guy so I was simply asking. From all my friends still there I agree with everything you said. I know there flying there asses off on a regular basis. Then you throw in there that its summer I question how the operation will run come thanksgiving. If your a line pilot like I gather you are please be careful and do not let them rush you because of a packed sched.

 

[jetlag7]

.... please be careful and do not let them rush you because of a packed sched.

Thanks, appreciate it!

I never fly tired, sick, or hungry and the plane doesn't move an inch until it's completely safe to do so - schedules be damned!

 

[notaNJApilot]

the company is selling-off flights at an ever accelerating rate....

how are you quantifying this? my calculator gives me an error when i divide by zero.

let's hope the owners continue to fly and tell their friends what a good product we have. we'll be in need of more planes and more pilots in no time.

 

[billybob]

There have been selloffs this month, from what I was told. If true when have there been sell offs in the past in August? Now call in fatigued and get me back to work

 

[Pervis]

how are you quantifying this? my calculator gives me an error when i divide by zero.

If you truely work for NJA, go to Mobile Manager, Bookings, 7 day Mini Forecast, scroll down and note what you see. Additionally, look at those day in review messages we get every day.

 

[BentOver]

Dang, it's been so long I forgot what the magic sell off number was. ( or was it a %?)

Hopefully the top few guys get a nice Christmas bonus this year. Maybe even remain employed as opposed to recalled then immediately furloughed. ( maybe company will want to avoid negative PR?)

Best of luck to all still praying for A NJA return

 

[fischman]

Dang, it's been so long I forgot what the magic sell off number was. ( or was it a %?)

Hopefully the top few guys get a nice Christmas bonus this year. Maybe even remain employed as opposed to recalled then immediately furloughed. ( maybe company will want to avoid negative PR?)

Best of luck to all still praying for A NJA return

1.5(C)(4)

11 selloff days per quarter. If they recall you, take it. You'll be furloughed right away again. It's free money.