NJ Recalls

[Pervis]

Agreed. The way I read it is that 1% isn't just a paycut, but overall lowering of labor cost. The savings could be realized in places other than a paycut (think insurance, vacation, etc). No thank you.....

The savings can be realized in more efficient ops, like not ferrying a jet to avoid paying a pilot an after midnight. Savings in reduced insurance cost, less vacation, etc is nothing more than concessions. Sorry, but not going to happen. Record profit sans sales means even more record profit as sales increase, which they are. On our backs, wearing more hats every day fixing their miss cues due to support staff reductions.

 

[BentOver]

So customers finding value in the product has nothing to do with NJ success?

Who do you think adds the value?

The CEO of square plates can think he does, but who is the face of the company. Who is out there making sure everything comes together. It's the pilots....

If catering doesn't show the pilots have a cc that can somewhat rectify the problem. If the flight plans aren't filed, the pilots can do it themselves if needed. Fact is, when all this stuff does get screwed up at times, the pilots are the ones who make sure it'll be done when the owners show up....

Management should not view the pilots as an expense that needs to be reduced

 

[rajflyboy]

you guys at Netjets need a 30 percent pay increase as the minimum

that will bring up the pay scales for the rest of us too

 

[Blueridgeflyer]

10/250+ is what is deserved for this abusive lifestyle ... Or they can close the doors. Their choice.

 

[fischman]

Njaowner,

Just asking has the market changed to a point that I should take a 5% pay cut over the next few years?

Would you and others be willing to help us help you buy supporting the pilots.

The owners and the pilots are the life of Nja and when both are happy the company does better.

I see no reason why the owners would have to pay a nickel more for the CBA we deserve. Over the past several years we have 1) posted profits 2) paid down over a billion in debt.

The EMT is just going to have to settle for $1 million homes instead of $30 million homes.

 

[fischman]

you guys at Netjets need a 30 percent pay increase as the minimum

that will bring up the pay scales for the rest of us too

Ummmm.... No. 30% isn't close to what we deserve. That barely covers inflation.

 

[Blueridgeflyer]

Ummmm.... No. 30% isn't close to what we deserve. That barely covers inflation.

30% would be a colossal victory ...not for the pilots though.

 

[fischman]

30% would be a colossal victory ...not for the pilots though.

You got that right.

 

[johnsonrod]

Have there been no recalls whatsoever? How many pilots tend to leave/quit annually since the furloughs? Are their positions not re-filled?

I would expect a bunch at the bottom to leave when the legacies start to ramp up in the next year or two.

 

[CA1900]

Hmmm sounds like they are attempting to set the baseline way low, it'll make a 3% gain look awesome...

When in reality the only reason NJA is still around is the pilots hard work.... So 10% should be the very least

In a couple more years, when the contract is hopefully signed, a 20% raise will be right back where it was in 2007 thanks to inflation. Anything less than a 20% raise is already a pay cut. That's something people need to consider when evaluating contract proposals.

 

[Praetorian]

In a couple more years, when the contract is hopefully signed, a 20% raise will be right back where it was in 2007 thanks to inflation. Anything less than a 20% raise is already a pay cut. That's something people need to consider when evaluating contract proposals.

Don't you guys have COL increases that continue to kick in annually, even though the 07 agreement is amendable? I'm guessing 3.5% per year.

 

[CA1900]

No. The payscale increments per year of service, but that's it. It also tops out at the 10th year of service for FOs, meaning they'll all be pay-frozen within two years. (Newest FO still working was hired in 2006.)

 

[johnsonrod]

Slightly off topic - as the Phenom 300s come onboard, from which fleet(s) will they be drawing their pilots? Are they replacing the 400As and Encores one-for-one and gaining their pilots in the process?

 

[OPECJet]

Speaking of recalls: Current NJA pilots, please reference 1.5(C)(4) Subcontracting (Sell offs) During Periods of Furloughs/ Downgrades in the CBA and decide how many sell off days the company is allowed in your opinion. The number "11" popped into your head from reading the question, but please go look at the language as it is written.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Speaking of recalls: Current NJA pilots, please reference 1.5(C)(4) Subcontracting (Sell offs) During Periods of Furloughs/ Downgrades in the CBA and decide how many sell off days the company is allowed in your opinion. The number "11" popped into your head from reading the question, but please go look at the language as it is written.

It's plain language to me.

Why now tell us your opinion of what it says?

 

[OPECJet]

It's plain language to me.

Why now tell us your opinion of what it says?

Appears to me recalls must occur if the company sells off any flights while pilots are furloughed or downgraded. Dead issue at this point however.

 

[dudemize]

From what I hear of the current lifestyle on the road at NJA, there is no amount of money that would get me to return. Not worth it.

I'm much more interested in QOL issues than pure compensation at this point.

 

[DC-4]

While I agree to a point about the lifestyle point. However what if your at a crappy job working your ass off, maybe NJA is still better for some. I think the issue that is being brought up is that we have been told over and over again that after 11 days of selloffs then that triggers recalls. The problem is that in that section of the CBA it says that the company is alowed zero 0 percent selloffs during a period of fuloughes and downgrades provided the company can selloff flights a maximum of 11 days per quarter. The union and company say this means after 11 days then recalls happen, and the company can selloff as many days as they want but after 11 they have to recall.

I guess zero percent and maximum do not matter in the world of NJA or NJASAP. At least I now know why DS wanted the section gone so bad.

 

[dudemize]

While I agree to a point about the lifestyle point. However what if your at a crappy job working your ass off, maybe NJA is still better for some. I think the issue that is being brought up is that we have been told over and over again that after 11 days of selloffs then that triggers recalls. The problem is that in that section of the CBA it says that the company is alowed zero 0 percent selloffs during a period of fuloughes and downgrades provided the company can selloff flights a maximum of 11 days per quarter. The union and company say this means after 11 days then recalls happen, and the company can selloff as many days as they want but after 11 they have to recall.

I guess zero percent and maximum do not matter in the world of NJA or NJASAP. At least I now know why DS wanted the section gone so bad.

1.5(C)(4) is horribly worded. Saying zero percent sell-offs are allowed and then in the next sentence saying they can sell-off unlimited flights up to 11 days per quarter makes no sense. If they can sell-off as many flight as they want on up to 11 days, doesn't that mean, by definition, that they are allowed more than zero percent sell-offs?

I agree that the company wants these pesky restrictions removed. They have no intent to recall or they would have done so by now seeing that it takes months to get someone trained up and ready to fly.

 

[G4dude]

1.5(C)(4) is horribly worded. Saying zero percent sell-offs are allowed and then in the next sentence saying they can sell-off unlimited flights up to 11 days per quarter makes no sense. If they can sell-off as many flight as they want on up to 11 days, doesn't that mean, by definition, that they are allowed more than zero percent sell-offs?

I agree that the company wants these pesky restrictions removed. They have no intent to recall or they would have done so by now seeing that it takes months to get someone trained up and ready to fly.

Certainly no recalls until the economy grows faster and NJA follows suit, I guess.