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No one knows these answers yet, as it has never been done at this company before. You know how they like to reinvent the wheel.

This is all rumor, and I don't have anything else to add other than we are flying a lot, occupied hours are up, and we are selling planes again.
 
-FlyAuburn- said:
Understand it based on what? Some more info as to what has been said that would make any active pilot think this would be nice. Especially when we have had no such communication from NJASAP. Thanks.
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Based on nothing. There is no more info.
 
fischman said:
Based on nothing. There is no more info.
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If there is no info then how did you two come up with a rumor about a recall decision being made in November? There are still a lot of guys who's future depends on NJA and speculating on a recall without any info gets the hopes up of a lot of people
 
BentOver said:
If there is no info then how did you two come up with a rumor about a recall decision being made in November? There are still a lot of guys who's future depends on NJA and speculating on a recall without any info gets the hopes up of a lot of people
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Good question. Pretty irresponsible FI or not.
 
I don't know who is higher on my sh!t list. The EMT or Njasap. It's like who do I hate more my cheating ex or the guys f-ing her.







..........or myself for flying.
 
BentOver said:
If there is no info then how did you two come up with a rumor about a recall decision being made in November? There are still a lot of guys who's future depends on NJA and speculating on a recall without any info gets the hopes up of a lot of people
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I didn't come up with a rumor. I read what fly low wrote and was able to comprehend it.
 
I hope this rumor turns out to be true (although I will be staying on mil leave), but I'm highly skeptical of recalls anytime soon (and especially by Nov). Last update I received a few months back was 2016-2017. Have things changed that much?
 
Dude, I went to recurrent 8 weeks ago and they said the last Gulfstream would depart the pattern in 2018. My partner on my last tour went to recurrent 3 weeks ago and they said 2021. Their "plan" is a moving target that changes by the hour.
 
If Bridgeway's plan was to have furloughed guys back online for the busy season, that ship has sailed. Recalls should have started in Jul/Aug due to the training footprint.

If they are planning to start recalls in Nov, I would guess that means they know NJ will exceed the 11 day selloff limit for Q3. I would further guess that barring any major outside events, the selloff limit will go over 11 days for Q4 and NJ knows this as well.

The contract states NJ has to start recalls no more than 120 days after the end of the quarter in which they exceeded the selloff limit. If they go over in Q3, that ends Sep 30 + 120 days = Feb 1 deadline to start recall. If they recall anyone prior to Dec 31, those guys will get credit for 2013 for their longevity and 401k. I'm not holding my breath for an early Christmas present.
 
Recalls can't begin until the Fed has approved the new indoc class curriculum. They have indeed been working on that. Unknown what the launch date is.
 
gunfyter said:
I am not sure that they are working on the curriculum means that they intend to have a class.... Perhaps they are required to have a curriculum regardless.
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The old/original new hire Indoc class should still be approved, there were guys who went through this when returning from extended LOA's. I think it's just a case of the new EMT cutting corners to save $$ wherever they can by running a shortened class.

If I have to sit through the ethics training again I just might puke all over the table.
 
VGerect said:
The old/original new hire Indoc class should still be approved, there were guys who went through this when returning from extended LOA's. I think it's just a case of the new EMT cutting corners to save $$ wherever they can by running a shortened class.

If I have to sit through the ethics training again I just might puke all over the table.
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We are now all on a 121 profile, thus the need for change. The Feds are hard at work justifying their existence. Gunfighter, you are correct. However, when they do start recalls, the new progrem will have to be in place first, or they pay salaries for even more folks to sit at home.
 
gunfyter said:
I think someone explained the FAA rejected the old curriculum because we are 121 now
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Thanks makes sense, I forgot about the 121 training. Nothing like waiting until the last minute to get your training manual approved.
 
VGerect said:
Thanks makes sense, I forgot about the 121 training. Nothing like waiting until the last minute to get your training manual approved.
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But see what I am saying is this...

People assume that because the curriculum is being worked on that that means they are getting ready for a class...

But my question is: Did the FAA look at the old program and say "Get your schitt together... that program is not compliant with 121"

So are they just bringing a required program into compliance?
 
I also want to say concerning recalls:

I know a lot of furloughed like to hear from active pilots on what we hear about it... but...

IMO ... Active pilots will be last to find out about recalls. You guys will receive a recall letter and WE will find out about recalls reading it here on FI.
 
Pervis said:
We are now all on a 121 profile, thus the need for change. The Feds are hard at work justifying their existence. Gunfighter, you are correct. However, when they do start recalls, the new progrem will have to be in place first, or they pay salaries for even more folks to sit at home.
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Encore+ still on 135.
 
gunfyter said:
But see what I am saying is this...

People assume that because the curriculum is being worked on that that means they are getting ready for a class...

But my question is: Did the FAA look at the old program and say "Get your schitt together... that program is not compliant with 121"

So are they just bringing a required program into compliance?
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It makes sense to me that you would want an approved class irregardless of recalls. Why would you wait until you needed to recall to start the process? Get it done so you're ready to go when the time comes.

Are you guys on track to exceed 11 selloffs this quarter (Q3)? I was thinking the most likely scenario would be to exceed 11 in the 4th quarter, then the company would (of course) wait the full 120 days, meaning recalls would start May 1st. Get everyone trained up and ready to go by the busy season next year.
 
So on a thread called "NJA Recall"....

Someone just arbitrarily writes something very very vague about November.. Other active guys make some comments, and in reality nothing has changed whatsoever... Awesome, you guys are really in the know!!:D
 
Well I think you know one thing ... you can't go to training until they get the program approved.

I think that means they won't be recalling voluntarily before that is completed. Will have to be forced by selloff situation.


I don't think there is any way they will exceed 11 this quarter. But 4th quarter ... with Chanukah and Thanksgiving occurring at the same time ... could get ugly
 
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