NJ Recalls

[Willy21]

I think it is safe to say that what NetJets was and has now become are vastly different. It wouldn't take long to see the changes upon returning.

 

[OPECJet]

I'd go back. I don't know how long I would stay though. I don't trust the union or the company and I'm pissed at both. I'd probably get recalled when I was at the top of the payscale with no upgrade in sight.

It still beats what I'm doing now, but I'd probably let NJA pay for another type, get current and run.

Unless there's some movement and I'd see an upgrade before my 60th birthday. Not likely for someone my age and seniority.

 

[G4dude]

I'd go back. I don't know how long I would stay though. I don't trust the union or the company and I'm pissed at both. I'd probably get recalled when I was at the top of the payscale with no upgrade in sight.

It still beats what I'm doing now, but I'd probably let NJA pay for another type, get current and run.

Unless there's some movement and I'd see an upgrade before my 60th birthday. Not likely for someone my age and seniority.

If the airlines hire a lot, you will be recalled I hope.

 

[OPECJet]

Would be nice, but I'm not holding my breath. I think most of us expect our recall rights and or longevity to be sold down the river. Several of us have posted that concern on our kiddie corner of the NJASAP message board and at the present time we have one, yep, one officer who takes the time to engage us. It's an unenviable position he's put himself in as he catches a lot of flak, yet continues to do his best to keep us in the loop.

The rest of the officers are nowhere to be seen. One of the new officers hired many of us, but again, nowhere to be seen. The newly elected president does not return our emails. It is steamingly obvious we are peons to the union. The company already acknowledged that fact by even refusing to let CPs write letters on our behalf at the time of the furlough. At least one furloughed pilot missed a job because the prospective employer required a letter from his previous supervisor.

I will throw them a bone in that they continued to keep us on the email distro list for company updates until the crew website came online. Of course when it comes time to retrieve a password you have to go through labor relations to do it.. They also emailed all of us when they were contacted about a position witha Columbus area company who asked them to send it to the furloughed pilots. That was appreciated.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the company doesn't want us back. We're expensive when compared to a newhire. We're also pissed. Things could have been done to keep that from happening, and it isn't too late, but it requires effort neither side appears willing to make. The union is going to protect pilots currently on the property. If that means sacrificing us, they'll do it.

 

[nordo_2]

Opec,

Are you now, or willing to go (back) into 121? Preferably not a regional. If you can live in base at a 121, you will have a superior quality of life.

 

[BentOver]

Opec,

Are you now, or willing to go (back) into 121? Preferably not a regional. If you can live in base at a 121, you will have a superior quality of life.

NJA had their 2 years as the place to be...


Given the state of retirements in the 121 Legacy world vs. the long term options with NJA, any one of the Legacies would be a move in a better direction. The majors are vastly superior in pay, career expectations, and schedule. The one and only advantage NJA will always(?) hold is homebasing.

If you can live in base or have an easy commute, going with a Major is the best bet IMO. 2nd year pay is typically more than any SIC at NJA will see at the top of the pay scale. Many of the Majors top end SIC pay is on par with NJA Captains pay....

After a 5-8+ year furlough from NJA, and given all the BS that has gone on there, I cannot see most being completely happy upon returning. Unless there are just no other options.

 

[pilotyip]

NJA had their 2 years as the place to be...


Given the state of retirements in the 121 Legacy world vs. the long term options with NJA, any one of the Legacies would be a move in a better direction. The majors are vastly superior in pay, career expectations, and schedule. The one and only advantage NJA will always(?) hold is homebasing.

If you can live in base or have an easy commute, going with a Major is the best bet IMO. 2nd year pay is typically more than any SIC at NJA will see at the top of the pay scale. Many of the Majors top end SIC pay is on par with NJA Captains pay....

After a 5-8+ year furlough from NJA, and given all the BS that has gone on there, I cannot see most being completely happy upon returning. Unless there are just no other options.

ditto, and going now before hiring really picks up in 2015/16 range and getting a lot of numbers under you would give you job security not found in many other flying jobs.

I look a two of my friends, one hired a AAL in 1985, made CA in 6 years never furloughed, stayed in left his entire career, the other hired was USAirways in 1989, furloughed 3 times, may never make CA before hitting age 65.

 

[FLYLOW22]

I think it is safe to say that what NetJets was and has now become are vastly different. It wouldn't take long to see the changes upon returning.

Yes. Profitable.

 

[OPECJet]

Opec,

Are you now, or willing to go (back) into 121? Preferably not a regional. If you can live in base at a 121, you will have a superior quality of life.

I've thought about that a lot lately. I'd end up commuting, but a one leg commute at a major would be a cakewalk compared to the two leg I had at a regional.

It would probably be an uphill battle, but I won't say it couldn't happen. I haven't flown in three years, have to jump through a couple of hoops to get a medical and don't have any turbine PIC. In the past that was close to a deal breaker but I know times are changing.

 

[nordo_2]

Yes. Profitable.

For who? Means nothing to a furlough, or stagnated SIC. NJ may maintain it self. Great, if you have a three-digit seniority number. NJ’s business model is a bust, for those us that bought the 5000, or so pilot group.

The Legacies are a better bet, for a better career.

 

[BentOver]

ditto, and going now before hiring really picks up in 2015/16 range and getting a lot of numbers under you would give you job security not found in many other flying jobs.

I look a two of my friends, one hired a AAL in 1985, made CA in 6 years never furloughed, stayed in left his entire career, the other hired was USAirways in 1989, furloughed 3 times, may never make CA before hitting age 65.

Don't agree with you much.. But definitely agree with ya here... If any furloughee or SIC at NJA is on the fence.. Get the hell off, and apply when positions become available...

 

[G4dude]

Don't agree with you much.. But definitely agree with ya here... If any furloughee or SIC at NJA is on the fence.. Get the hell off, and apply when positions become available...

I agree. I think we are gonna lose some captains too. And I'm the biggest Koolaid drinker at NJA.

 

[gunfyter]

They say size doesn't matter ...

 

[Blueridgeflyer]

Don't agree with you much.. But definitely agree with ya here... If any furloughee or SIC at NJA is on the fence.. Get the hell off, and apply when positions become available...

I think if I get an offer from UAL or AAL I'm pretty sure it would be a very serious discussion at the dinner table with the wife. I think the future is bright ultimately for Netjets, but I'm running out of patience.

 

[Blueridgeflyer]

I agree. I think we are gonna lose some captains too. And I'm the biggest Koolaid drinker at NJA.

Don't be such a ****************************** and fight for a better CBA so that Netjets doesn't loose Capts or SICs.