New SkyWest pay proposal....anyone?

[JoeMerchant]

Come on now Joe. If we weren't union, management would have long ago imposed whatever they wanted on us. George and John, Skippy, and now BL have all shown their true colors over time, and the union is the only thing protecting our pilot group to keep what we have.

Under ASA, I agree, but with Skywest I believe the opener would be different. My understanding of Jerry is he opens very close to his final offer. I like that. The "used car" dickering is counter productive on both sides.

Why do we still have a retirement plan on the table over 4 years into the process?

By the way, congrats on your new job. Despite our differences on opinions, I am happy for you. Good luck over there.

 

[Speedtape]

Under ASA, I agree, but with Skywest I believe the opener would be different. My understanding of Jerry is he opens very close to his final offer. I like that. The "used car" dickering is counter productive on both sides.

Why do we still have a retirement plan on the table over 4 years into the process?

By the way, congrats on your new job. Despite our differences on opinions, I am happy for you. Good luck over there.

For those who don't know, Joey is not UNION! He just pays dues, doesn't uphold his duties to an elected position, sues the Union based on arguments with his circular reasoning, and is just a plain malcontent in life (taking great pride in it)!

 

[atrdriver]

Under ASA, I agree, but with Skywest I believe the opener would be different. My understanding of Jerry is he opens very close to his final offer. I like that. The "used car" dickering is counter productive on both sides.

Why do we still have a retirement plan on the table over 4 years into the process?

By the way, congrats on your new job. Despite our differences on opinions, I am happy for you. Good luck over there.

The defined benefit retirement is something to trade, as most here know that it is not something that we are going to get. But, increased 401K contributions and monthly matching instead of yearly is something that is vital to get. Maybe the "used car" dickering is counter productive, but that is how ALL union negotiations go, not just under the RLA. JA opens close to his final offer, but what if what he opens with is not sufficiant? That is where the Skywest pilots are right now, and if they vote no they have nothing to show for it. At least with a union we have someplace to go after a no vote.

And thanks, I hope you know that I enjoyed flying with both you and L, and that while I disagree with you that doesn't mean that I don't have great respect for both of you...The one thing that I will really miss will be the people. We have one of the best pilot groups in the industry.

 

[Hootie9750]

As for the new guys . . . I was hired here when we were not paid during training and made $19/hr for the first year. FNG's will get an hourly raise on their pay during training, so I don't want to hear it.

Not our fault you chose to work for free. There is NO Fvcking way I'd do two months of powerpoints slides and sims if I wasn't getting paid.

 

[HelloNewman]

You really don't know how ALPA works do you? Skywest will COST ALPA money! No one at ALPA gives 2 shiits about your dues money. As a smaller carrier you will spend more money that you take from your pilots. You will be given money from ALPA from the general fund. Thats how it works. The benefit for ALPA is that you finaly get off your lazy as$es and start contributing to the industry instead of being part of the problem.

Ummm I am happy right here on my recliner, thanks for the offer though. Don't worry we will call ALPA next time we want another raise raise. I don't believe for a minute that it is unprofitable for alpa.

 

[mckpickle]

Ummm I am happy right here on my recliner, thanks for the offer though. Don't worry we will call ALPA next time we want another raise raise. I don't believe for a minute that it is unprofitable for alpa.

Think whatever you'd like, however I know for a fact that Express Jet ALPA spends more than it takes in dues.

ANd just keep sitting on your as$ while the rest of us try to pull this industry up while jerkoffs like you fly 70 seat airplanes for 50 seat wages.

 

[HelloNewman]

Think whatever you'd like, however I know for a fact that Express Jet ALPA spends more than it takes in dues.

ANd just keep sitting on your as$ while the rest of us try to pull this industry up while jerkoffs like you fly 70 seat airplanes for 50 seat wages.

say what you must but our 50/70 seat wage is still above most regionals. Don't even chime in on the "90 seater" because we have no 90 seaters at SkyWest. only 900 models with 70-76 seats. Thanks for the offer but I will be taking my family out to dinner instead of paying dues. In fact when the raise kicks in I will be taking my family out for dinner even more. When we feel like taking our families out to dinner even more than we do now rest assured we will call ALPA to start a union drive. They will once again get excited and we will once again get a raise.

Its a fantastic system really. Don't worry all the other members can fund the next union drive. The money to try and sweet talk us has to come from somewhere right????? Politics sure can suck sometimes but hey it benefits us so might as well use it to our benefit and get a raise when we feel like one. The union drive will probably fail but I am not worried. Rest assured ALPA will be back some day just in time to get us another raise.

 

[CFIT]

You really don't know how ALPA works do you? Skywest will COST ALPA money! No one at ALPA gives 2 shiits about your dues money. As a smaller carrier you will spend more money that you take from your pilots. You will be given money from ALPA from the general fund. Thats how it works. The benefit for ALPA is that you finaly get off your lazy as$es and start contributing to the industry instead of being part of the problem.

If we are so lazy and "part of the problem" why in the hell do you want us to be in your little club?

 

[Popeye0537]

say what you must but our 50/70 seat wage is still above most regionals. Don't even chime in on the "90 seater" because we have no 90 seaters at SkyWest. only 900 models with 70-76 seats. Thanks for the offer but I will be taking my family out to dinner instead of paying dues. In fact when the raise kicks in I will be taking my family out for dinner even more. When we feel like taking our families out to dinner even more than we do now rest assured we will call ALPA to start a union drive. They will once again get excited and we will once again get a raise.

Its a fantastic system really. Don't worry all the other members can fund the next union drive. The money to try and sweet talk us has to come from somewhere right????? Politics sure can suck sometimes but hey it benefits us so might as well use it to our benefit and get a raise when we feel like one. The union drive will probably fail but I am not worried. Rest assured ALPA will be back some day just in time to get us another raise.

Is this the typical view at SKW??

Homo boy, let me explain something to ya.....you do have 90 seaters on property and your getting paid a 50 seat rate to fly it. I don't care how many seats you pull out of it, it's still a 90 Seat A/C. It dosen't matter to you because your still in the right seat, but come upgrade you might not be singing the same tune.

 

[LogbookSlave]

True . . .

Not our fault you chose to work for free. There is NO Fvcking way I'd do two months of powerpoints slides and sims if I wasn't getting paid.

You're right, I didn't say it was anybody's fault. I like where I am at. You're welcome to stay where you are.

I'm happy that new hires are getting paid during training. Anybody that thinks that the money they are being paid is not enough doesn't need to come here. Fortunately, there are still plenty of people who realize that this is a good place to work and are willing to come here at $19/hr for the first year.

 

[Terrain Terrain]

If I was in ALPA I would be a crybaby also, but im not, and I will do EVERYTHING I can to keep that corporation from coming to SKY and taking our 2%. I could care less about any problems that ALPA carriers are having right now. This is sweet, we get a raise!! Thanks alpa, and NO you can not have 2%.

buuuuuu bye!!

ahahaha

 

[HelloNewman]

Is this the typical view at SKW??

Homo boy, let me explain something to ya.....you do have 90 seaters on property and your getting paid a 50 seat rate to fly it. I don't care how many seats you pull out of it, it's still a 90 Seat A/C. It dosen't matter to you because your still in the right seat, but come upgrade you might not be singing the same tune.

For the most part it is the popular view. Sure there are some guys that get all riled up over nothing. Luckily a lot of these guys are leaving. By the time we have a vote if we ever do there should be around 26-2700 pilots on property. The more the better as it makes it all the more difficult for ALPA to hit whatever benchmark they are looking for.

Why would the aircraft type matter when I upgrade? The fact is there are the same number of seats and it can carry what about 10,000 more lbs? Trust me I won't be losing any sleep at night over 10,000 lbs. That amount of weight is virtually nothing in our world.

I would like to be the first to thank ALPA for our raise though. Thanks for your help now either hold the vote or go away, you are an unwelcome guest at our airline. No ALPA or any union dues 34 years and counting baby! Lets make it 40+ years. P.S your BBQs are getting old and nasty old hot dogs or burgers aren't going to change our mind. We certainly are not going to sign a card just to get free racoon meat.

 

[embdrvr]

Is this the typical view at SKW??

Maybe for a handful of pilots but definitely not widespread.

He's an embarassment even to those that would prefer to remain non-union.

 

[EL10]

If you don’t want to share the gains with the 120 pilots that is your choice no problem. If you don’t want representation that is your choice also. What is not your choice is the Railway Labor Act. When the day arrives understand that you will be helpless. You will not have the luxury of waiting for the next representation vote. It takes lots of time to bring in representation. All it takes is one bad decision by a management to need it.

If your argument is that Atkin leadership style will be around for ever think twice. Howard Hughes, Juan Trippe, Eddie Rickenbacker, and Kenney Friedkin did not last for ever. TWA, Pan Am, Eastern, and PSA are all gone. ALPA is still alive. The IBT still exists. Even APA has been around longer then SkyWest. If your mangers treat you with respect you deserve why would they hold it against you? Southwest which we all know is the most unionized airline, yet rated the highest in employee satisfaction of there leadership.

So ALPA is crying? If you want to look at the small picture you may assume that. What set the market rate of $20.00/hour for new hires? What justified a 1% ATB increase? Current environment made that seem appealing to you. What would be the environment if ALPA had given into XJ’s demand of 19.4%, if Comair had taken its hits, 9E agreed to the companies’ offer of 5% cuts? The same economic conditions, just different people with different attitudes prevented the reverse inflation of salaries. ExpressJet could have buckled under pressure but instead are voting on twice the percentage your being “surveyed” for. ALPA is not crying. Each property is holding its own; all while enjoying the benefits of strength in legislative, legal, aeromedical, and safety.

Your fear of career expectations at SkyWest are only going to increased with out long term representation. By willfully accepting less over a long period of time, makes it easier for those around you to expect the same which returns back to you again having to accept less to stay “ahead”.

Things may continue to be rich for the SkyWest family for the next ten years, and I wish they will be. It will be really unfortunate to look back and see that you didn’t take pause for the long term success over a few pennies in gains today.

Vote in Representation.
Doesn’t matter who it comes from just pick one.

 

[ArcticFlier]

Is this the typical view at SKW??

(S)he'd like you to think so...............................but it's not even close. it's just some close-minded thinking....................You have the ability to ignore this user. I just might.



AF

 

[bender]

seems split between wanting representation and not. also seems like the majority of skw pilots don't want to merge pilot groups.

 

[Popeye0537]

For the most part it is the popular view. Sure there are some guys that get all riled up over nothing. Luckily a lot of these guys are leaving. By the time we have a vote if we ever do there should be around 26-2700 pilots on property. The more the better as it makes it all the more difficult for ALPA to hit whatever benchmark they are looking for.

Why would the aircraft type matter when I upgrade? The fact is there are the same number of seats and it can carry what about 10,000 more lbs? Trust me I won't be losing any sleep at night over 10,000 lbs. That amount of weight is virtually nothing in our world.

I would like to be the first to thank ALPA for our raise though. Thanks for your help now either hold the vote or go away, you are an unwelcome guest at our airline. No ALPA or any union dues 34 years and counting baby! Lets make it 40+ years. P.S your BBQs are getting old and nasty old hot dogs or burgers aren't going to change our mind. We certainly are not going to sign a card just to get free racoon meat.

Time to get off the teet, the reason aircraft type matters when you upgrade if the difference in pay with the difference in type. With your 500 hours of flight time I don't expect you to grasp that concept. I'm always welcome on a united express carrier, there is not much YOU can do about it sittin gear bitch.

BTW I don't care much about ALPA, but you need to get some sort of representation because it sounds to me like you lack a back bone.

 

[HelloNewman]

Time to get off the teet, the reason aircraft type matters when you upgrade if the difference in pay with the difference in type. With your 500 hours of flight time I don't expect you to grasp that concept. I'm always welcome on a united express carrier, there is not much YOU can do about it sittin gear bitch.

BTW I don't care much about ALPA, but you need to get some sort of representation because it sounds to me like you lack a back bone.

Well some people may feel they need representation and that is fine. It really does get old however hearing people trying to tell us as a pilot group what we need and don't need. Actually with this new pay package both FOs and Captains get the over-ride and therefore different pay between the 50 seater and 70/76 seaters.

In the end I do not think the union vote will pass in fact we may never even have a vote but thats ALPAs problem not mine. I'm tired of people trying to tell us what we need or don't need. We can decide for ourselves thank you very much. I am ready to get my raise, vote ALPA down and move on with my life.

I think a lot of this boils down to jealousy really. Union carriers are jealous because we do quite well for ourselves and don't have to pay for it. I don't know how else to explain their illogical hatred of us. We make more than most union airlines. That should make us amongst friends not enemies correct? We can all still get along, just because we don't want a union doesn't make us bad guys.

 

[mckpickle]

Well some people may feel they need representation and that is fine. It really does get old however hearing people trying to tell us as a pilot group what we need and don't need. Actually with this new pay package both FOs and Captains get the over-ride and therefore different pay between the 50 seater and 70/76 seaters.

In the end I do not think the union vote will pass in fact we may never even have a vote but thats ALPAs problem not mine. I'm tired of people trying to tell us what we need or don't need. We can decide for ourselves thank you very much. I am ready to get my raise, vote ALPA down and move on with my life.

I think a lot of this boils down to jealousy really. Union carriers are jealous because we do quite well for ourselves and don't have to pay for it. I don't know how else to explain their illogical hatred of us. We make more than most union airlines. That should make us amongst friends not enemies correct? We can all still get along, just because we don't want a union doesn't make us bad guys.

Are you out of your gord? ALPA carriers are not jealous. We are pis$ed that you guys suckle off of the gain we make while contributing nothing to the profession. You've not gotten 1 thing on your own. You've gotten everything because other ALPA carriers got it first. Holey Christ, I can't believe you actually believe the spew coming from your cake hole!

 

[Terrain Terrain]

get a tampon, and get over it.


sheez no one cares about you or alpa eat sh|t

 

[skypine69]

i care about my fellow pilots. i care that so much of what we take for granted in this industry is because of pilots that came before us and ALPA. this job would not be worth squat if it were not for ALPA in the last 50 plus years.

 

[Terrain Terrain]

great, u and alpo save us all. because you know all about alpa. you dont you fly a RJ, you have no idea about alpa clown. /retard/slave!! alpa hates rj pilots but love the dues.


dumb padwan

 

[Gr82Aviate]

great, u and alpo save us all. because you know all about alpa. you dont you fly a RJ, you have no idea about alpa clown. /retard/slave!! alpa hates rj pilots but love the dues.


dumb padwan

Can you possibly be as childish and ignorant as you sound??

 

[BoilerUP]

Can you possibly be as childish and ignorant as you sound??

Yes, he can.

Hey Terrain, just how long were you at PDT before you got raptured to the promised land of Skywest, bud?

 

[BigLebowski]

What's everybody's beef with SkyW? We're growing, we have an excellent working relationship with management. I came from a regional represented by ALPA...and it sucked so bad. Based on my experience with ALPA, I would never vote them in here. You guys can say what you want...I've been here at SkyW for 6 months...and you cannot even compare my QOL at SkyW to my other carrier.

I lived in domicile at this wonderfully represented ALPA regional
I made "more" hourly wage wise

But Guess what...

I commute for SkyW...get more days off
I make more a month making 19.02 than I did making 22

And I'm so much happier here.

You guys really need to get off of your high horse. It seems as though everything is chipper when you are expanding...but because someone else is and you're not getting your piece of cake too, you hate us.

We are not bringing the regionals down...if we were, how come every new hire class is infested with ex-ALPA and none of them want anything to do with that dou*chbag union.

One more thing...if we're supposively going to be "black-balled" by these ALPA majors because we're not ALPA, then how come so many of our pilots now are going back to United? Why is FedEx scooping us up by the truckload.

The power of the union is gone.

...FireAway

 

[BoilerUP]

I'm certainly no ALPA cheerleader, and I'm glad you enjoy where you work, but it sounds like you've bypassed the koolaid and have moved on to purple veils and black Nikes at this point.

I have alot of friends at SKW who really like it, I sent multiple resumes last year meeting minimums and never got a call...but the bottom line is the first year hourly rate SUCKS. It is very disappointing to me that it didn't improve much in the new proposal, and that pilots at Skywest (despite wild profitability and growth) are willing to accept sub-$20/hr to fly as a first-year FO on a 76 seat jet. To me, that screams of screwing all the newbies...but hey, at least they are paying during training now, right?

 

[atrdriver]

What's everybody's beef with SkyW? We're growing, we have an excellent working relationship with management. I came from a regional represented by ALPA...and it sucked so bad. Based on my experience with ALPA, I would never vote them in here. You guys can say what you want...I've been here at SkyW for 6 months...and you cannot even compare my QOL at SkyW to my other carrier.

No, we don't hate you. But the simple fact that you don't understand is that when JA is done with ASA you guys are going to be next on the chopping block, and you currently have zero protection against that. And when your turn in the barrell comes, it will be too late. I sincerely hope that it doesn't happen to you, but I'd bet that it will. JA won't always be there, and even if he is he may decide that you guys are overpaid. If he does, what do you plan to do? If he yanks your rigs, or your profit sharing, what is your recourse?

 

[bender]

No, we don't hate you. But the simple fact that you don't understand is that when JA is done with ASA you guys are going to be next on the chopping block, and you currently have zero protection against that. And when your turn in the barrell comes, it will be too late. I sincerely hope that it doesn't happen to you, but I'd bet that it will. JA won't always be there, and even if he is he may decide that you guys are overpaid. If he does, what do you plan to do? If he yanks your rigs, or your profit sharing, what is your recourse?

I'll probably feel better after eating a warm chocolate chip cookie. One of those big ones that are real chewy. None of those hard crispy grocery store brand with the M&Ms.

 

[scott hall]

I'll probably feel better after eating a warm chocolate chip cookie. One of those big ones that are real chewy. None of those hard crispy grocery store brand with the M&Ms.

Yeah, I like to serve kool-aid with those cookies too. mmmmmm

 

[goahead]

great, u and alpo save us all. because you know all about alpa. you dont you fly a RJ, you have no idea about alpa clown. /retard/slave!! alpa hates rj pilots but love the dues.


dumb padwan

What the hell did you just say? Slow down dipshi_t.