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Bluto said:
I'd be surprised if it goes longer than 2 pages, double-spaced.
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So, just printed out my pay package BOOKLET. I stand corrected on the whole 2-page thing. They really pulled out all the stops on this one. I think I'm going to have mine bound at Kinkos so I can put it on my bookshelf at home!
 
I more or less agree with you Irish, but managment and the Republicrats are also part at fault for taking advantage of us. In the end, just because someone agrees to work for peanuts, doesn't mean you should pay it. I've had employees (usually Mexican migrants) willing to work for minimum wage, and yet I've paid them double that.. I also get better quality work and moral out of them as a result.

Maybe I'm naive, but I think the interest of business can be balanced by fair labor practices, and that they two are not mutually exclusive like many seem to say.
 
V70T5 said:
I more or less agree with you Irish, but managment and the Republicrats are also part at fault for taking advantage of us. In the end, just because someone agrees to work for peanuts, doesn't mean you should pay it. I've had employees (usually Mexican migrants) willing to work for minimum wage, and yet I've paid them double that.. I also get better quality work and moral out of them as a result.

Maybe I'm naive, but I think the interest of business can be balanced by fair labor practices, and that they two are not mutually exclusive like many seem to say.
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Well then if we are being taken advantage of, one has to ask what good ALPA is doing. Corporate flying pays better than the regionals and it is largely non-union. What is the core difference? Yes I agree that management is taking advantage of the situation, but I don't see giving up 2% of my pay to ALPA as stopping it. There has to be a different answer.
 
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How something distributed amongst several thousand people is "confidential" I don't know. Besides, ASA pilots have a right to know, they are the rates on our airplanes.

Well, they were ours, sorta....
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ASA has a right? What gives you any right to our pay info. You've been pissing in our cheerios ever since the money that we earned payed to keep you out of bankruptcy. We are not represented by ALPA like you are, further seperating our pilot groups. Right to know...you have no rights to our airline.
 
FightingIrish said:
Well then if we are being taken advantage of, one has to ask what good ALPA is doing. Corporate flying pays better than the regionals and it is largely non-union. What is the core difference? Yes I agree that management is taking advantage of the situation, but I don't see giving up 2% of my pay to ALPA as stopping it. There has to be a different answer.
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Again I agree... but don't throw the baby out with the bath water I say.

ALPA is more of a mainline union, and what is needed is a union for "regionals" and 2nd tier carriers the likes of World, Omni, etc..

I used to wear my ALPA pin with pride, but after working at ASA, ALPA (at least their MEC) soured me to the whole process..

As for corporate aviation paying better... Yes, and no. Some companies are the virtual career lotteries, where you fly GV's and Falcon900's for $200K/yr and take a 15% profit share, etc.. but most of them are not quite that good, and worse yet, you're strapped to a pager and have no life/schedule.

There is no perfect solution now, but I always said it would be best if we all (pilot profession) had a universal pilots guild, which set pay rates for all types.. from Citation 500 to A380, and any pilot accepting less than that "set rate" would be blacklisted by the guild, and thus unable to work.. check/balances.

The laws now are such that it would be nearly impossible to form such a guild.
 
V70T5 said:
Again I agree... but don't throw the baby out with the bath water I say. ALPA is more of a mainline union, and what is needed is a union for "regionals" and 2nd tier carriers the likes of World, Omni, etc..

I used to wear my ALPA pin with pride, but after working at ASA, ALPA (at least their MEC) soured me to the whole process..

As for corporate aviation paying better... Yes, and no.. Some companies are the virtual career lotteries, where you fly GV's and Falcon900's for $200K/yr and take a 15% profit share, etc.. but most of them are not quite that good, and worse yet, you're strapped to a pager and have no live/schedule.

There is no perfect solution now, but I always said it would be best if we all (pilot profession) had a universal pilots guild, which set pay rates for all types.. from Citation 500 to A380, and any pilot accepting less than that "set rate" would be blacklisted by the guild, and thus unable to work.. check/balances.

The laws now are such that it would be nearly impossible to form such a guild.
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I agree with you on the guild and a diffent union for the regionals/second tier carriers.

What soured you about ASA ALPA? Things are getting interesting here with the election coming up.

Hope you found something you liked to do when you left.
 
-New Hire pay to increase as follows (GET READY FOR THE MONEY!!!)
----$19.25 for 2007
----$19.50 for 2008
----$19.75 for 2009
----$20.00 for 2010

-1% base increase to -200 rates

-700/900 "Block Hour Override" applied to the increased -200 rate
----5% for 2007
----6% for 2008
----7% for 2009
----8% for 2010

-BHO is only paid for actual 700/900 flight time
----This means that the override is not applied to "soft time." When you break it down, this means for every hour of -700/900 credit you add 3 minutes to it(5% override X 60 minutes = 3 minutes). That 1 hour and 3 minutes is then applied to your -200 base rate. This is how BHO is paid.

-No increase for Bro pilots
-No retro pay
-4 year "duration"
 
Peter Sashell said:
Splitting the pay for the 50 vs 70/90 should be enough to justify voting for it. It sucks for the EMB guy's but better to get split rates than a increase on an airplane that will only decrease in numbers as apposed to an airplane that will only grow in numbers.
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What's wrong with splitting the RJ rates AND allowing the EMB guys to share in the success of their company?
 
SSDD said:
Come on Bluto...6 years of stagnation? You're starting to sound like those ASA guys! I haven't seen the proposal and it sounds like it isn't much, but to say that Skywest has been stagnant for the last 6 years is ridiculous. You lose a lot of credibility with a statement like that.
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No, he's being honest! There hasn't been a cost of living increase here for us since the anniversary of your hire date the year before 9/11! Do the math...
 
This is an OK deal for the SKYW pilots, not great (new hire/emb) but time to raise the 700/900 pay starting at 5% in 07 up to 8% in 10. Im in with a YES.
 
Peter Sashell said:
Splitting the pay for the 50 vs 70/90 should be enough to justify voting for it. It sucks for the EMB guy's but better to get split rates than a increase on an airplane that will only decrease in numbers as apposed to an airplane that will only grow in numbers.
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No, it shouldn't...whatever happened to the higher blended rate we were promised, a rate that was supposed to continue to adjust higher as we continue getting the 700/900's? To offer nothing for the EMB and a lousy 1% rasie for the 50, which still comprises the largest part of our fleet is totally pathetic!
 
If I were you guys, I would take it. It will make you higher paid than most ALPA carriers and you are growing. Take the deal.
 
I'm not sure what some of you guys are looking at but from this year to next with the pay proposal my rate would increase over $8 bucks an hour and with the bonus factor we are quite a bit over ASA.

End date, split rates, increase, to me are all an improvement.
I'm voting yes.
 
As much as this proposal isn't ideal, they answered all my complaints about the previous offer. I think I'm in with a yes vote, as well.
 
CFIT said:
I'm not sure what some of you guys are looking at but from this year to next with the pay proposal my rate would increase over $8 bucks an hour and with the bonus factor we are quite a bit over ASA.

End date, split rates, increase, to me are all an improvement.
I'm voting yes.
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I'm not sure what you're looking at but the crummy 1% is less than the 1.2% we already voted down, and it's 0% for all of our EMB flight crews! How does this even come close to meeting the cost of living increases over the last 6 years??
 
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CFIT said:
I'm not sure what some of you guys are looking at but from this year to next with the pay proposal my rate would increase over $8 bucks an hour and with the bonus factor we are quite a bit over ASA.

End date, split rates, increase, to me are all an improvement.
I'm voting yes.
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better read the fine print sport
 
Gee, 1% more on my $19 an hour, no increase for base pay over the next 3 years, and now us junior guys get shafted on the 70 seat pay twice (can't hold 70 + no increase in base pay). Not to mention the EMB guys! They could have at least thrown in bonuses for the low guys on the totem pole or placed the 1% increase on the base pay size AND the EMB.

Definitely not what I was expecting.

(Seriously now, couldn't break the mythical $20 an hour for new hires?)
 
Wow a 23 cent raise for first year guys?!?!?!!? Is that what I am hearing? I admit I have not read all the stuff on here yet and I may be way off with this.

I am sorry but no tmatter what that is still pathetic!!!! I was expecting first year guys to be seeing at least $23/hour. I think that is really bad if the T-P crews dont get really anything at all. I guess that shows you they are just not as important as those super cool jet guys.
 
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Yes . . .

Where I sit: SKYW EMB CA.

Where I stand: Voting yes on the TA.

When the last offer was presented, the majority of pilots (myself included), based on the TA survey, voted no because of 1)No end date of the agreement and 2)No increased pay for the 700/900. As I see it, this agreement addresses both of the issues that the pilots had with the pay agreement. I am not a fan of ALPA coming onto the property, but vote in the pay agreement, and if you still are unhappy, vote in ALPA.

As for the new guys . . . I was hired here when we were not paid during training and made $19/hr for the first year. FNG's will get an hourly raise on their pay during training, so I don't want to hear it. :cool:
 
Terrain Terrain said:
well you would need some 700/900s to fly to make your statement matter.
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You must be a 50-seat only guy. :rolleyes:

The offered rates from ASA do cover 700/900 flying. It's amazing to see how smug some of you guys are about what is happening. My point was to point out that the offer on the table from ASA management, is actually an offer from Jerry to ASA pilots. Point being, the same people that control your half of the equation are offering you less than what they are offering our half, and that half is 4 years old.

Believe it or not, I'd like to see our 2 groups help eachother out.
 
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skid said:
Wow a 23 cent raise for first year guys?!?!?!!? Is that what I am hearing?

I am sorry but that is still pathetic!!!! I was expecting first year guys to be seeing at least $23/hour.
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No, you're figuring too high...1% of $19.00 per flight hour is a whopping 19 pennies more per flight hour!
 

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