New Pinnacle Management team

[SEVEN]

You YES voters fell for yet another airline mgmt trap "vote no and we shut you down". Now watch all of a sudden we get 900's and keep the 200 to phase them out with the 900.

I am sad to admit that I actually agree with you. The majority of the pilot group voted out of fear. Just another play in the playbook. We fell for it hard this time. And before someone says it: we are not the same as Comair.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

You think that proves you work for Delta?

You may or may not be that other Bill Lumberg. It's the internet and no knows for sure about identities.

True....so why call me out? Trust me, you'd be wrong.

 

[1.3XVso]

I am sad to admit that I actually agree with you. The majority of the pilot group voted out of fear. Just another play in the playbook. We fell for it hard this time. And before someone says it: we are not the same as Comair.

Now dont be getting all butterfly with me Sevendust! Im also sad to admit that your correct on your last part of your statement.

"WE ARE NOT COMAIR"

 

[SEVEN]

Lets get this thread back on track with a false rumor: a mechanic told one our crews that they have been told to prepare for the crj 700..... Spread it

This is NOT a rumor. A certain manager told me the new CEO disclosed to him he is "aggressively" seeking to get the 700's on property.

 

[Flyer1015]

This is NOT a rumor. A certain manager told me the new CEO disclosed to him he is "aggressively" seeking to get the 700's on property.

Of course. And when they ask for more concessions to get more airplanes, that too will pass.

 

[1.3XVso]

Of course. And when they ask for more concessions to get more airplanes, that too will pass.

I knew it all along. airline management strikes again.

 

[i fly boxes]

This is NOT a rumor. A certain manager told me the new CEO disclosed to him he is "aggressively" seeking to get the 700's on property.

I was just messing around haha the new CEO doesn't do anything besides what delta wants him to do though. He can't ask delta for anything delta just tells him what's going to happen

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Definitely not Comair. Looks like the average IQ was a bit higher there.

 

[gojo]

Definitely not Comair. Looks like the average IQ was a bit higher there.

Maybe, they were all there over a decade

 

[ChickenSled]

You think that proves you work for Delta?

You may or may not be that other Bill Lumberg. It's the internet and no knows for sure about identities.

We sur know about you man.

 

[Flyer1015]

We sur know about you man.

I have nothing to hide. I was referring to other internet forum warriors who hide behind anonymous screen names and claim whatever they want and throw insults knowing it's anonymous. (Not you Bill Lumberg).

 

[i fly boxes]

So we have delta management delta it delta payroll when we come out of chapter 11 but pinnacle pay rates. I'm not saying we deserve any special treatment but does anyone else think we should try to sue for single carrier status? What's the worst that can happen? We lose and they build us up and sell us or just park everything because they are mad. Either way is cool with me!

 

[xjhawk]

It does not help when our fearless union leaders at the local and national level recommended that we sign yes to this agreement. If I am not mistaken it was a unanimous vote by the MEC. It is time we have to look at the role the union played in how they duped the pilot group. Delta's pilot union has always been a "company union" in that it gives the company what it needs to be successful. It seems to me that ALPA national had its hands on the puppet strings of our MEC to see that Delta makes profits, which is good for Delta pilots and their profit sharing.

Below is a part of our union email sent to us. "One level of service" but yet two levels of compensation for the two very different pilot groups.

Gumm’s goal for Pinnacle is to be a world-class regional airline with the best product at the best price. In order to achieve that goal, Pinnacle employees, including the pilots, must own the idea of “one level of customer service” that spans the Delta network.

Mike Becker described the integration of various Pinnacle systems with Delta to streamline those processes, cuts costs and run the airline more efficiently. “When we emerge from bankruptcy, a number of back-office functions will be integrated with Delta. By utilizing Delta’s existing infrastructure, we can more efficiently manage certain functions such as payroll. This will allow us to significantly improve our performance and eliminate many of challenges we’re experiencing as a result of turnover and the uncertainties brought on by bankruptcy.”

 

[wms]

Comair/Asa 2000 redux

 

[sinkrate]

That pretty much seals the deal. Delta has no intention of PCL ever being an independent company again. The senior management team is now all Delta employees and all the back office functions will be done by Delta in ATL. PCL is nothing but Delta's 1980's B scale and Moak and DALPA facilitated it.

So, as everyone starts leaving for AMR and United and PCL can't staff their B scale RJ's what's Delta going to do?

 

[MesabaDriver]

That pretty much seals the deal. Delta has no intention of PCL ever being an independent company again. The senior management team is now all Delta employees and all the back office functions will be done by Delta in ATL. PCL is nothing but Delta's 1980's B scale and Moak and DALPA facilitated...

So, as everyone starts leaving for AMR and United and PCL can't staff their B scale RJ's what's Delta going to do?





Spin-one-inncle is the new Comair. They'll close your doors when they can't staff ya.

 

[xjhawk]

Its better than a "b" scale. Its not even close to the operating cost a b scale would have. All the Pinnacle ground instructors, sim instructors chief pilots-everyone is 1/2 as expensive as it would be to have a true mainline b scale with Delta seniority pilots. If they cannot staff Pinnacle-their attempt at making people stay or be attracted to Pinnacle is the worthless "bridge agreement" (known as a bridge to know where). They will put a small carrot again in front of the pinnacle pilots in the form of a LOA that just may keep the profits flowing for Delta. What I find funny is that what I heard in the road shows from our union on what the merits of the Bridge agreement and what I actually read in the agreement are two different things.

For example. IN the road shows, they say that we have a certain number of slots in every class that Delta has- this is very misleading as they only have to go through the seniority list twice (only interviewing those they want and only taking the ones they want from those they interviewed). Then the bridge is done.

 

[altimaklr]

That pretty much seals the deal. Delta has no intention of PCL ever being an independent company again. The senior management team is now all Delta employees and all the back office functions will be done by Delta in ATL. PCL is nothing but Delta's 1980's B scale and Moak and DALPA facilitated it.

So, as everyone starts leaving for AMR and United and PCL can't staff their B scale RJ's what's Delta going to do?

Probably 1 of 2, or both:

1. Yank 20-30 airframes per year to match the reduced staffing

2. Offer a mostly worthless Delta seniority # entitlement to 9E pilots (Similar to what Eagle has) giving people a carrot to stick around and attract a few new hires.

 

[CRJ puppy]

It does not help when our fearless union leaders at the local and national level recommended that we sign yes to this agreement. If I am not mistaken it was a unanimous vote by the MEC. It is time we have to look at the role the union played in how they duped the pilot group. Delta's pilot union has always been a "company union" in that it gives the company what it needs to be successful. It seems to me that ALPA national had its hands on the puppet strings of our MEC to see that Delta makes profits, which is good for Delta pilots and their profit sharing.

Below is a part of our union email sent to us. "One level of service" but yet two levels of compensation for the two very different pilot groups.

Gumm’s goal for Pinnacle is to be a world-class regional airline with the best product at the best price. In order to achieve that goal, Pinnacle employees, including the pilots, must own the idea of “one level of customer service” that spans the Delta network.

Mike Becker described the integration of various Pinnacle systems with Delta to streamline those processes, cuts costs and run the airline more efficiently. “When we emerge from bankruptcy, a number of back-office functions will be integrated with Delta. By utilizing Delta’s existing infrastructure, we can more efficiently manage certain functions such as payroll. This will allow us to significantly improve our performance and eliminate many of challenges we’re experiencing as a result of turnover and the uncertainties brought on by bankruptcy.”

Gawd. This is so COMAIR. I think you're even getting the same emails with company names changed.

 

[Monster Buck]

When you vote "yes" on a degenerate contract and still manage to think you're a "professional", I'd say it's all about you....and your low self-esteem.

If you weren't just an observer and your team was in the game you would have done better, right?

 

[Monster Buck]

actually i have been getting reports from fo's complaining about mesaba captains still running around dropping the brake on time, OPENing the cabin door with no gate agent AND leave the aircraft to go find a gate agent!!! WTF is that all about? Now i can see a good percentage of the 85% scab vote coming from the mesaba side.

You said just the opposite just a few years ago.

you pinnacle cronies better pick up that On-time and A14 performance back up!~!!!!! :uzi:

Just so you remember.

Borderline Personality Disorder

By John M. Grohol, Psy.D.​

The main feature of borderline personality disorder (BPD) is a pervasive pattern of instability in interpersonal relationships, self-image and emotions. People with borderline personality disorder are also usually very impulsive.
This disorder occurs in most by early adulthood. The unstable pattern of interacting with others has persisted for years and is usually closely related to the person’s self-image and early social interactions. The pattern is present in a variety of settings (e.g., not just at work or home) and often is accompanied by a similar lability (fluctuating back and forth, sometimes in a quick manner) in a person’s emotions and feelings. Relationships and the person’s emotion may often be characterized as being shallow.
A person with this disorder will also often exhibit impulsive behaviors and have a majority of the following symptoms:

• Frantic efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment
• A pattern of unstable and intense interpersonal relationships characterized by alternating between extremes of idealization and devaluation

 

[1.3XVso]

You said just the opposite just a few years ago.






Just so you remember.

Borderline Personality Disorder

By John M. Grohol, Psy.D.​

The main feature of borderline personality disorder (BPD) is a pervasive pattern of instability in interpersonal relationships, self-image and emotions. People with borderline personality disorder are also usually very impulsive.
This disorder occurs in most by early adulthood. The unstable pattern of interacting with others has persisted for years and is usually closely related to the person’s self-image and early social interactions. The pattern is present in a variety of settings (e.g., not just at work or home) and often is accompanied by a similar lability (fluctuating back and forth, sometimes in a quick manner) in a person’s emotions and feelings. Relationships and the person’s emotion may often be characterized as being shallow.
A person with this disorder will also often exhibit impulsive behaviors and have a majority of the following symptoms:

• Frantic efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment
• A pattern of unstable and intense interpersonal relationships characterized by alternating between extremes of idealization and devaluation

Idiot I was being sarcastic! PINNACLE CRONIES!!!!!!!!!!!Hence our colleagues running around doing anything to get ontime. Did you flow to delta or did you interview? Oh yeah do you wear your wings upside down at delta?

 

[Monster Buck]

Its ok 1.3 everyone understands, man "He is an angry elf"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=xjmjtOnDyYs

 

[1.3XVso]

Its ok 1.3 everyone understands, man "He is an angry elf"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=xjmjtOnDyYs

LOL! That is sooooooooooo irrelevant!

 

[IamGumbyDammit]

1.3 doesn't want to interview or flow, he wants to PAY MANAGEMENT for his job!
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=157953&highlight=pft#post157953

 

[1.3XVso]

1.3 doesn't want to interview or flow, he wants to PAY MANAGEMENT for his job!
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=157953&highlight=pft#post157953

ahh yes i was waiting for you. Who said I PFT? I was just stating whats the big beef about pft. If people have the cash, loans be all means do it. ******************** I know riddle rats coming out of school with 250k in loans! No go work and get us out of BK. lol what a joke!

 

[IamGumbyDammit]

ahh yes i was waiting for you. Who said I PFT? I was just stating whats the big beef about pft. If people have the cash, loans be all means do it. ******************** I know riddle rats coming out of school with 250k in loans! No go work and get us out of BK. lol what a joke!

You would pay for what everyone else is getting for free, kinda like sex!

 

[big shacks]

What happened to the other 9E rant thread? I need two for entertainment.

 

[Flyer1015]

Gumm’s goal for Pinnacle is to be a world-class regional airline

WTF is a "world-class regional airline" LOL

And how does one become a world-class regional airline? One class of service? After bending over the pilots and forcing them concessions? Yeah, that "one class of service" should go over well. You should be insulted by such an email.

And if Delta really is takig over those infrastructure issues, it will be that much easier/quicker to winddown 9E if and when they want.

PCL is nothing but Delta's 1980's B scale and Moak and DALPA facilitated it.

B scale?

[credit goes to a 9E FO for this one.....]

7th year CRJ FO makes 37/hr and 7th year DC9 FO makes 118/hr. It's not a B scale, it's a freakin (modified f word) Z scale!

 

[Monster Buck]

WTF is a "world-class regional airline" LOL

And how does one become a world-class regional airline? One class of service? After bending over the pilots and forcing them concessions? Yeah, that "one class of service" should go over well. You should be insulted by such an email.

And if Delta really is takig over those infrastructure issues, it will be that much easier/quicker to winddown 9E if and when they want.


B scale?

[credit goes to a 9E FO for this one.....]

7th year CRJ FO makes 37/hr and 7th year DC9 FO makes 118/hr. It's not a B scale, it's a freakin (modified f word) Z scale!

Um wait a minute you said numerous times they voted this in!


Come on Flyer spin it again for us slow folks.