New Pinnacle Management team

[gojo]

1.3Xvso is on my ignore for a reason-there is no reason to argue with an idiot

Good advice. That guy is out there

 

[SEVEN]

Why are you doing other people's job? Are you getting anything out of it? You Mesaba pukes don't get it do you? That's the problem right there. You guys will do whatever for free. Forevercumsucker that's right I get full report on company scabs all the time. A company that continually sticks it up your a$$ every chance they get does not deserve me or anyone to go above and beyond. The company knows it and that is why the beating continues. Thank you for my pay cut Mesaba pukes. Do your job and that is it. Do your job description and fly your contract.

Relax!!!!! Whatever you guys were doing prior to this cluster wasn't working either. I am still convinced there is a major culture difference here. It is called work ethic. You sir, have a poor one.

 

[SEVEN]

When you vote "yes" on a degenerate contract and still manage to think you're a "professional", I'd say it's all about you....and your low self-esteem.

I voted NO.

 

[FOrever85]

Why are you doing other people's job? Are you getting anything out of it? You Mesaba pukes don't get it do you? That's the problem right there. You guys will do whatever for free. Forevercumsucker that's right I get full report on company scabs all the time. A company that continually sticks it up your a$$ every chance they get does not deserve me or anyone to go above and beyond. The company knows it and that is why the beating continues. Thank you for my pay cut Mesaba pukes. Do your job and that is it. Do your job description and fly your contract.

Way to go company man!

1.3Vxso advice to show this company who is boss:

show up to work, do your job, and fly the contract.

That will show them!

I am starting to think you voted yes too!

P.S Way to keep your streak of talking about dicks, cum, and ass alive!

Keep up the good work

 

[1.3XVso]

Relax!!!!! Whatever you guys were doing prior to this cluster wasn't working either. I am still convinced there is a major culture difference here. It is called work ethic. You sir, have a poor one.

Pay me like a professional and ill show you work ethics. But if you expect me to open the door and run up to get a gate agent your wrong dude.

 

[1.3XVso]

Way to go company man!

1.3Vxso advice to show this company who is boss:

show up to work, do your job, and fly the contract.

That will show them!

I am starting to think you voted yes too!

P.S Way to keep your streak of talking about dicks, cum, and ass alive!

Keep up the good work

Your a perfect example of why our industry is the way it is. I can't fathom how you can be so proud. Sjs at its best phuucking tool.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

This thread is getting too adult for me......

I'm out!

 

[Flyer1015]

Heaven forbid, a proactive Captain that actually takes initiative to solve problems. Many 9e Fo's are not used to that. You may want to revisit the term "professionalism." In short, it's not always about you.

After a concessionary contract, why would you do someone else's job? It's people like you that mask the true problems at regionals. Let them fix it, stop covering up or them. Maybe if the JCBA was in full effect, I could see going out of your way. But now with the concessionary, you've been given the middle finger and you still bend over backwards.

 

[Flyer1015]

This thread is getting too adult for me......

I'm out!

So you claim you're not that other Bill Lumberg who was busted for not being a Delta pilot as be claimed? Problem is, on the Internet, you just can't tell about people and what they claim, unless they get caught.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Nope.....

Not the same......Hey I just went over to another web board and picked the name Flyer1015!! This going to be fun, I'll pretend I'm an American pilot and then claim it isn't me when confronted..

See how stupid that sounded....Pretty lame trying to pin some other clowns BS on me from another webboard......good luck!

Hey smart guy....what did Delta use as a 4 digit or letter code for an AE for the L1011 Second Officer? No problem, I'll wait.........

 

[SEVEN]

After a concessionary contract, why would you do someone else's job? It's people like you that mask the true problems at regionals. Let them fix it, stop covering up or them. Maybe if the JCBA was in full effect, I could see going out of your way. But now with the concessionary, you've been given the middle finger and you still bend over backwards.

For the record, I have never left the plane to find a Jet Bridge driver. I was simply making another point. However, if I commuted and was about to miss my last flight, I probably would.

 

[A-10_JetMech]

Getting ugly. This stuff should be on reality tv! And to drift this thread even further; what would we call this tv show?

 

[higney85]

The problem here is not what 1.3 is talking about. I tend to think it's what we "think" vs. "do". I am not sure what FO's say about me, but I sincerely try to do my best for the end goal- safely moving the paying passengers (and yes, the non-revs/jumpseaters too) from point A to point B as efficiently as possible.

The "Professionalism" argument is one that is extremely subjective and personal. When starting as an FO at a whopping $20.79 an hour, I gave my all, just as I did as a CA at $77, and now a CA @ $70, and the same applies when the time comes to be an FO @ $38. Does the voice in my head say "you should do 10% less", sure. The other side of the brain reminds me that you don't work for the job you have, you work for the one you want. In the end, it's looking at the passengers that pay (albeit paying less than they should) that are worried about their connection or making it to their destination for that business meeting or their family. If you ask someone why they are heading to ABC, it's rarely "for the heck of it". They pay for a service, just as we do when we pay for a service.

You can blame the NO voters, you can blame the YES voters, but this is a concessionary deal that was caused from mismanagement. Even MGMT says that to your face. Do the job to the best of your ability, and go home. If you don't like it, there is a fork in the road. Either quit or get a new job.

Back to the subjective and personal argument; it's up to you what you feel about it. Anonymous "keyboard Ninja" remarks does nothing to move you on your career path. Everyone is guilty of letting emotion get in the way. Just look up shyguy/flyer1015 and me on public boards. The difference is emotion on the internet and while AT WORK.

I have seen both sides of the cockpit in this discussion. Some CA's try their best to get things done on time regardless of the hurdles, some try to put the revenue (passengers) first, some put the crew first. There are even some that put the crew first, passengers second, and hinge it all on how safely and quickly the flight can be completed. Don't discount the FO either, when both sides of the flight deck work together it's amazing what can be done in the face of adversity. When both sides say "screw it".... Well, that's where the bad reputation comes that haunts the possible departure for a new job. Moving on is the only escape from what you feel is so miserable, unless you wish to just quit in a ball of glory. That lasts 15 minutes before the ready reserve shows up and the darkness sets in.

 

[higney85]

Getting ugly. This stuff should be on reality tv! And to drift this thread even further; what would we call this tv show?

Reality TV will be the MEM airport as 600 crewmembers, plus Mainline DL commuters, try to get to work!

 

[A-10_JetMech]

Reality TV will be the MEM airport as 600 crewmembers, plus Mainline DL commuters, try to get to work!

Good one!

 

[e=mc2]

Time to live in your base.

 

[i fly boxes]

Lets get this thread back on track with a false rumor: a mechanic told one our crews that they have been told to prepare for the crj 700..... Spread it

 

[jynxyjericho]

Lets get this thread back on track with a false rumor: a mechanic told one our crews that they have been told to prepare for the crj 700..... Spread it

Avro's are in fact coming back.

 

[1.3XVso]

The problem here is not what 1.3 is talking about. I tend to think it's what we "think" vs. "do". I am not sure what FO's say about me, but I sincerely try to do my best for the end goal- safely moving the paying passengers (and yes, the non-revs/jumpseaters too) from point A to point B as efficiently as possible.

The "Professionalism" argument is one that is extremely subjective and personal. When starting as an FO at a whopping $20.79 an hour, I gave my all, just as I did as a CA at $77, and now a CA @ $70, and the same applies when the time comes to be an FO @ $38. Does the voice in my head say "you should do 10% less", sure. The other side of the brain reminds me that you don't work for the job you have, you work for the one you want. In the end, it's looking at the passengers that pay (albeit paying less than they should) that are worried about their connection or making it to their destination for that business meeting or their family. If you ask someone why they are heading to ABC, it's rarely "for the heck of it". They pay for a service, just as we do when we pay for a service.

You can blame the NO voters, you can blame the YES voters, but this is a concessionary deal that was caused from mismanagement. Even MGMT says that to your face. Do the job to the best of your ability, and go home. If you don't like it, there is a fork in the road. Either quit or get a new job.

Back to the subjective and personal argument; it's up to you what you feel about it. Anonymous "keyboard Ninja" remarks does nothing to move you on your career path. Everyone is guilty of letting emotion get in the way. Just look up shyguy/flyer1015 and me on public boards. The difference is emotion on the internet and while AT WORK.

I have seen both sides of the cockpit in this discussion. Some CA's try their best to get things done on time regardless of the hurdles, some try to put the revenue (passengers) first, some put the crew first. There are even some that put the crew first, passengers second, and hinge it all on how safely and quickly the flight can be completed. Don't discount the FO either, when both sides of the flight deck work together it's amazing what can be done in the face of adversity. When both sides say "screw it".... Well, that's where the bad reputation comes that haunts the possible departure for a new job. Moving on is the only escape from what you feel is so miserable, unless you wish to just quit in a ball of glory. That lasts 15 minutes before the ready reserve shows up and the darkness sets in.

Higney stop trying to play the violin here. You YES voters fell for yet another airline mgmt trap "vote no and we shut you down". Now watch all of a sudden we get 900's and keep the 200 to phase them out with the 900. The next GO JETS with 900's. If you expect me to play pilot for free and do other jobs your wrong. You want to throw the be "professional" act pay me like one. Hopefully this year will be my end in the industry. Ill sit back and watch you guys ************************* this industry up. Im tired of ranting with you company scabs. Its like arguing with a liberal with no ending in sight.

 

[Flyer1015]

Nope.....

Not the same......Hey I just went over to another web board and picked the name Flyer1015!! This going to be fun, I'll pretend I'm an American pilot and then claim it isn't me when confronted..

See how stupid that sounded....Pretty lame trying to pin some other clowns BS on me from another webboard......good luck!

Hey smart guy....what did Delta use as a 4 digit or letter code for an AE for the L1011 Second Officer? No problem, I'll wait.........

You think that proves you work for Delta?

You may or may not be that other Bill Lumberg. It's the internet and no knows for sure about identities.