NetJets Strike Passes By 93%

[Hawkered]

The union has failed us once again, by allowing the attacks from one brother to another.

 

[Diesel]

Hey FaCfriend. Why do you care. You don't need to know what's going on. This is our fight. You have no say in what goes on period.

Do you work the line? Nope so you have no idea what is going on.

You probably have access to our union website and are doing the "everybody is saying" or "my friend told me" that way you don't lose credibility.

It doesn't concern you so shut the F up.

 

[FLYLOW22]

The union has failed us once again, by allowing the attacks from one brother to another.

This Union has helped you more than not Hawkered. If you really want a good feel for what the Union does for you and every other gold tie wearing Joe out there I suggest you volunteer for something.

Only then can you truly criticize.

 

[FLYLOW22]

I heard this pilot group was not differentiating between the Ot for legitimate reasons and or for corvette payments. They were just harassing pilots. YOu know regardless of their pay sometimes, we all know this, with kids things come up, tutors, camps, etc. and also sometimes people have to help support their parents etc. and co workers dont even know about it.

Do you guys differentitate before you hassle someone about working OT? Do you require a dr note or something before you think it is ok?

Don't worry about how we commuicate with each other. It's a pilot thing. You wouldn't understand.

Dr. notes. No. We aren't that novice.

 

[Some Dude]

Hawkered what part of the COMPANY published the list do you NOT understand?

 

[dsptchrnja]

1. Was it not workplace violence when one of our schedulers, while being escorted off the property, put his fist through a wall in rage?

Bueller?? anyone??

C an't H elp I t P al, because you are who you are mole.

It's one thing to name names when you know what you are talking about. But when you don't even have the correct facts you look like a complete halfwit. Any credibility you had just went down the tubes.

 

[CMHTroll]

It is not just about you!

Hey FaCfriend. Why do you care. You don't need to know what's going on. This is our fight. You have no say in what goes on period.

Do you work the line? Nope so you have no idea what is going on.

You probably have access to our union website and are doing the "everybody is saying" or "my friend told me" that way you don't lose credibility.

It doesn't concern you so shut the F up.

FacFriend, are you a spouse like NetJetsWife? If you are then it does concern you. Keep asking questions because it helps the Bad Monkeys and Diesels try to defend their bad behavior as why their actions hurt other pilots and Casino workers.

It is just dirty politics, Teamster style.

 

[Diesel]

ahhhh CMHTroll-

You see he comes on here and bashes the pilots. He assumes or likes to say that guys like me are bad guys. That we don't get the job done and have no care about the owners. He likes to pretend that he "heard from a friend" or "knows some pilots". When in fact he's a company poster. Which is fine as long as you see him for who he is.

He likes to bash the teamsters. He doesn't care what we've done to make the pilots lives better. He doesn't care that 1108 is making sure that first year pilots are making livable wages even if the company is not helping them do that. He won't ever present the darker side of what is going on. Case in point J.

Hey CMHtroll why don't you explain the other half of J's story. Why don't you do a little research and look at the RLA and how many aribitrators rulings have been overturned in a federal court? Do you really think the company is going to be able to prove that the mediator was on the take? He split the baby down the middle. It takes about a 1 second google search to find out the answer.

So keep saying i play dirty politcs teamster style. When in fact YOU drop little "tidbits" from the transcripts but never give the whole story. So who is playing dirty politics?

 

[Hawkered]

I think that both sides have their fair share of blame. The whole thing has been spun into a complete distortion of facts.

I don't get scheduling, the role of the chief pilots, the selling points of anyone in management nor the fact that the aircraft can't seem to be fixed. I don't understand why anyone would extend. I don't understand why anyone would start a list of extenders.

I don't understand why we have all these new Marquis cardholders, but no planes to fly them around in.

I just don't get it, I guess!

 

[CMHTroll]

ahhhh CMHTroll-

You see he comes on here and bashes the pilots. He assumes or likes to say that guys like me are bad guys. That we don't get the job done and have no care about the owners. He likes to pretend that he "heard from a friend" or "knows some pilots". When in fact he's a company poster. Which is fine as long as you see him for who he is.

He likes to bash the teamsters. He doesn't care what we've done to make the pilots lives better. He doesn't care that 1108 is making sure that first year pilots are making livable wages even if the company is not helping them do that. He won't ever present the darker side of what is going on. Case in point J.

Hey CMHtroll why don't you explain the other half of J's story. Why don't you do a little research and look at the RLA and how many aribitrators rulings have been overturned in a federal court? Do you really think the company is going to be able to prove that the mediator was on the take? He split the baby down the middle. It takes about a 1 second google search to find out the answer.

So keep saying i play dirty politcs teamster style. When in fact YOU drop little "tidbits" from the transcripts but never give the whole story. So who is playing dirty politics?

Yes, I believe that the Teamsters do damage in the name of their members just like a terrorist believes it is OK to hurt innocent bystanders. Yes I do believe that pilots, all pilots need livable wages and the Company has tried to give them an increase while in negotiations. But the Union Leadership has refused an LOA to boost FO wages. The Union has refused to let instructors recieve their increase. They want all pilots to bleed as much as possible because they want to do the whole contract the long way so they can manipulate the pilots and attempt to put pressure on the Company. Do you deny that the Union does not want anybody to work overtime?



The Company would not have to prove that the mediator did anything except that he was wrong. It is the American way to challenge a decision that one party believes is wrong. Isn't that why the Union challenged it? Who knows, maybe it will make it to the Supreme Court, 60 minutes and 20-20. It couldn't hurt your public relations program now could it? There is no darker side, no conspiracy theory, just the facts.

 

[Some Dude]

Hawkered, the list was started because the company must provide an equitable amount of flying for all pilots. We need to know who volunteered and who received extended days so the whole group can see if the company showed any favortism in it's scheduling practice. I have a right to learn who worked all their "off days" and didn't work their schedules days. This is to TRY to prevent the "A Team" abuse that happened before. Sorry but we still have some suck a$$es here that would do anything to lick the ball sweat from a company manager.

 

[dsptchrnja]

more double talk

Hawkered, the list was started because the company must provide an equitable amount of flying for all pilots. We need to know who volunteered and who received extended days so the whole group can see if the company showed any favortism in it's scheduling practice. I have a right to learn who worked all their "off days" and didn't work their schedules days. This is to TRY to prevent the "A Team" abuse that happened before. Sorry but we still have some suck a$$es here that would do anything to lick the ball sweat from a company manager.

Since it was proven the "A Team" was a theory of your imagination, I guess you don't really have the right after all.

With all the pilots calling in tired these days, and the shortage of pilots, that alone shows NJA crews are not only getting equitable amounts but apparently are being scheduled too many flights... hence, your argument falls apart.

Besides, who made you the company watchdog?

 

[Bad Monkey!]

It's one thing to name names when you know what you are talking about. But when you don't even have the correct facts you look like a complete halfwit. Any credibility you had just went down the tubes.

Don't be so hard on yourself dsptcrNJA by calling yourself a complete halfwit.

So now your saying that a scheduler didn't punch his fist through a wall?

Post whatever company propagana and lies you want if that's what makes you feel like a man, a company man that is. We who are in the fight know THE REAL FACTS, your company spin won't hurt me, only you and your credibility.

Anyone who reads this message board can go to the ibt1108 website and read the facts, not the company spin.

I'm sorry that you were an abused child, nimwit fits you much better nancy boy.

 

[Hogprint]

Since it was proven the "A Team" was a theory of your imagination, I guess you don't really have the right after all.

I guess it was a figment of my imagination when I was out as an FO, and we only had shows after 11am, only two legs a day, and hit the Caymans, Bahamas, Aspen, and all the hot spots. All in one tour. The CP even called the capt every day to ask us if we were having fun yet....

This was back when I didn't have a tour with less than three or four 14/10s and 5 -6 legs a day.

Got the same guy two tours in a row, and the same thing. Not that I didn't have fun, but it's a little naive to think that there was no A-team.

Now before you say it was a coincidence, had other buds that flew with this guy and the same thing. Smooth sailing compared to their other tours.

 

[FamilyGuy]

I've never really understood these overtime boycotts by unions.....they seem so counterproductive for a couple of reasons:

1. If the union members really are trying to prepare for a strike then they need to sock away all the money they can for the lean times. Unilaterally limiting your income just hurts that effort

2. An overtime boycott actually forces the company to become more efficient in its use of the available resources. Once the OT boycott has been abandoned, the 'normal' levels of OT are no longer available as the company has learned that it doesnt need it anymore