NetJets Strike Passes By 93%

[Paradoxus]

Seeking the protection of professional integrity for the workforce by all means necessary does not a marxist make....

 

[Muddauber]

Seeking the protection of professional integrity for the workforce by all means necessary does not a marxist make....

Then why are you quoting Marxists, comrade?


Muddy

 

[El Chupacabra]

Geez, must be nice to have such confidence. Why would they let you strike? Because when you strike they are also released from the contract- anyone can be replaced.

There is a bigger picture...

I majored in Confidence.

Yes any ONE can be replaced. Some are more costly to replace than others. But we are not talking about ONE. We are talking about thousands... who are NOT EASILY replaced.

The only reason management has any nerve is because of the RLA. Otherwise they would have caved in long ago. I am fairly sure they are close to caving in now.

NewsFlash. 7/7 is back!

 

[FAcFriend]

I majored in Confidence.

Yes any ONE can be replaced. Some are more costly to replace than others. But we are not talking about ONE. We are talking about thousands... who are NOT EASILY replaced.

The only reason management has any nerve is because of the RLA. Otherwise they would have caved in long ago. I am fairly sure they are close to caving in now.

NewsFlash. 7/7 is back!

El- dont be sure that many cant be replaced. No it wont be easy, but this is not easy either...and

NEWSFLASH---7/7 was never gone. It is called: negotiation. Why do you think your union guys are negotiating scope, salary and schedule...everything is on the table and has been.

 

[El Chupacabra]

Friend,

You seem like an intelligent person. Do you know how long it takes to make... and release to the line -- one Citation X CAPTAIN?

I am ready to roll those dice. Let's get it over with now.

We have had experience with hiring Street Captains in the past. Do some research and find out how well that worked out. I understand it was a roaring success.

 

[El Chupacabra]

7/7

Well we always knew 7/7 would be back.

And we always knew the company wanted it too. Otherwise NJI would not be on it. and if the company really wanted 6/4 ... NJI would have been on it.

... if 6/4 is so important... why is the company limiting the present FLEX schedule? Its cheaper than their 6/4 proposal, has more work days and is more FLEXIBLE so every pilot on it is liable for duty 26 days per month. Why is the FLEX not made more available to volunteers who want it?

The answer is the 6/4 was devised simply as propaganda tool.

 

[Hogprint]

EL Chupacabra said:

The answer is the 6/4 was devised simply as propaganda tool.

Yes sir. Just a red herring floated out there.

Pssst. We've known it all along company trolls. Just research a few threads from a month ago when this topic came up.

 

[Hogprint]

Facfriend said:

El- dont be sure that many cant be replaced. No it wont be easy, but this is not easy either...and

Might be easy for V's and 400xps, but try and replace X, 200, and 2000 pilots. You will have the textbook definition of chaos!

 

[FamilyGuy]

I think that a pilot in uniform shooting a semi-automatic weapon with the intent of threatening the company, making a video of it and sharing it with the Union is violence in the workplace. As did the authorities!

You see, that's just the type of information that only comes from people in the LABOR RELATIONS Dept. Private, inside, privilaged information. Does your friend know what you're doing with this info, how you are jepordizing his job?

The victim of this company misconduct has gotten his job back, no laws were broken, no animals were harmed in the making of the video. Oh, yes, I didn't talk about the 'other' incident, you're confused, that was another post.

So I think we have a place to start the search for the troll, I'll be sure to pass that along.

x402 - I thought that this would be privileged information as well. Imagine my surprise when one of my friends that I went to school with at OSU asked me about it this weekend. Turns out that this is now part of the public record as it was filed in US District Court here in Columbus, and is viewable by anyone that wants to take the time to look up the court records.

For those that are interested (and it does make interesting reading!) just go to the courthouse and look them up. Be sure to ask for the following documents:

Case 2:05-cv-00687-GLF-MRA Document 1-1 Filed 07/15/2005​

Case 2:05-cv-00687-GLF-MRA Document 1-2 Filed 07/15/2005

After reading both documents, I have to ask....if the union believes so strongly that this pilot was wronged, can we expect to see him featured on the next round of picketing signs?

Come on...go ahead and take a picture off the video and put it on some of your signs....I can see it now...the chairman of the union communications committee blazing away at a NetJets video with an AK47 while wearing the NetJets uniform....you could even put a headline in big bold letters stating "Stop Unfair Labor Practices" and a subtitle of "another victim of Management harassment".

Or are you concerned that the owners may not fully appreciate his 'sense of humor'?​

 

[x402]

x402 - I thought that this would be privileged information as well. Imagine my surprise when one of my friends that I went to school with at OSU asked me about it this weekend. Turns out that this is now part of the public record as it was filed in US District Court here in Columbus, and is viewable by anyone that wants to take the time to look up the court records.

For those that are interested (and it does make interesting reading!) just go to the courthouse and look them up. Be sure to ask for the following documents:

Case 2:05-cv-00687-GLF-MRA Document 1-1 Filed 07/15/2005​

Case 2:05-cv-00687-GLF-MRA Document 1-2 Filed 07/15/2005

After reading both documents, I have to ask....if the union believes so strongly that this pilot was wronged, can we expect to see him featured on the next round of picketing signs?

Come on...go ahead and take a picture off the video and put it on some of your signs....I can see it now...the chairman of the union communications committee blazing away at a NetJets video with an AK47 while wearing the NetJets uniform....you could even put a headline in big bold letters stating "Stop Unfair Labor Practices" and a subtitle of "another victim of Management harassment".

Or are you concerned that the owners may not fully appreciate his 'sense of humor'?​

You are correct that since the Company has balked at it's agreement to abide by arbitraton and taken the extreme, but, legal step of Federal Court, this case is public.
However, the inside information from the PRIVATE HEARINGS came out well before the Federal suit. So, still someone in the room feeding info and there are very few people in the room.

 

[Fozzy]

Family Guy,
You are officially an *************************. And if that gets edited it is P*ssy. Get it? Did your mom not let you have a BB gun. I will grant you that is was a bad joke and in bad taste. But it was a JOKE! Now knock it off with the liberal horse$hit. "Oh no, an AK47! WAAAAAAAAA" Give it a rest. It is called the Second Amendment. AND it is also called the First Amendment.
Now find another argument.
And I almost forgot, I have been saving my DVD's for the annual skeet shoot I have with my family and buddy's in the fall. What do you think about that??!!??!! I might even go out and ask everyone if I can have their DVD's also. That way my whole family and friends can blow them suckers out of the sky! (sorry no video though, and you are not invited)

I wonder, would it be acceptable to you if I smashed it on video with a fun noodle? Seriously, would your liberal minded company a$$ kissing morons try to get me fired for that?????

 

[FamilyGuy]

Family Guy,
You are officially an *************************. And if that gets edited it is P*ssy. Get it? Did your mom not let you have a BB gun. I will grant you that is was a bad joke and in bad taste. But it was a JOKE! Now knock it off with the liberal horse$hit. "Oh no, an AK47! WAAAAAAAAA" Give it a rest. It is called the Second Amendment. AND it is also called the First Amendment.
Now find another argument.
And I almost forgot, I have been saving my DVD's for the annual skeet shoot I have with my family and buddy's in the fall. What do you think about that??!!??!! I might even go out and ask everyone if I can have their DVD's also. That way my whole family and friends can blow them suckers out of the sky! (sorry no video though, and you are not invited)

I wonder, would it be acceptable to you if I smashed it on video with a fun noodle? Seriously, would your liberal minded company a$$ kissing morons try to get me fired for that?????

Fozzy - having served this country for over 8 years I have no problems with an AK47. Hell, I wouldnt mind having one myself. And no, you're decision to shoot up a DVD isnt a problem either. But that's not the point, is it?

Now if you want to dress up in company uniform, record it and post links to the clip on a union website, then that's something different....

And as noted in the documents, there are clear limits to the first amendment...

 

[Fozzy]

"And as noted in the documents, there are clear limits to the first amendment..."
Please post the documents, so the "people" can decide. Yelling "fire". Hummm, is this the angle you management ass's are going for? And where is the limit on the more important Second Amendment???? (Sorry that last sentence is just my personal feeling showing)

"But that's not the point, is it?"

Ahhh yes it is. Because I see it for what it is. A freaking joke. (and one last time, a tasteless one) A JOKE.

As far as the uniform. If I go out in one of my many past employer's uniform, or maybe a McD's (ironic isn't it) uniform, can they come after me. And most importantly did you see NJA on anything that he wore????? (the aspiring lawyer in me)

This is just the company spinning their wheels. And doing a so so job of waisting our resources.

Sorry, I don't buy your argument. You need to rework and maybe try a different angle. Hell if you did 8 years, I can not possibly believe that you would be offended by such a video.




Thanks for your service. Even if you are a company stooge, you did do one very good thing. Thank you.

 

[El Chupacabra]

Or are you concerned that the owners may not fully appreciate his 'sense of humor'?
​

Pales in comparison to the financial violence done to the families of of the pilots over the last few years.

Please nobody was hurt in the filming of the video. And it was funny.

Also have you seen some of the violent obscene videos some of our pax make and sell for money... and air on MTV?

 

[FamilyGuy]

"And as noted in the documents, there are clear limits to the first amendment..."
Please post the documents, so the "people" can decide. Yelling "fire". Hummm, is this the angle you management ass's are going for? And where is the limit on the more important Second Amendment???? (Sorry that last sentence is just my personal feeling showing)

"But that's not the point, is it?"

Ahhh yes it is. Because I see it for what it is. A freaking joke. (and one last time, a tasteless one) A JOKE.

As far as the uniform. If I go out in one of my many past employer's uniform, or maybe a McD's (ironic isn't it) uniform, can they come after me. And most importantly did you see NJA on anything that he wore????? (the aspiring lawyer in me)

This is just the company spinning their wheels. And doing a so so job of waisting our resources.

Sorry, I don't buy your argument. You need to rework and maybe try a different angle. Hell if you did 8 years, I can not possibly believe that you would be offended by such a video.

Thanks for your service. Even if you are a company stooge, you did do one very good thing. Thank you.

Pales in comparison to the financial violence done to the families of of the pilots over the last few years.

Please nobody was hurt in the filming of the video. And it was funny.

Also have you seen some of the violent obscene videos some of our pax make and sell for money... and air on MTV?

Guys - if its not that big of a deal and the union feels that the pilot was terribly wronged, then why not make him the poster child at your next picketing event?

Fozzy - If people want to decide for themselves then they can go downtown and read the documents. I see no point in posting them here as it does contain the individuals name.

 

[El Chupacabra]

Thats a great idea... why don't you suggest to management that we put all the information in a letter to all the owners. Better yet stick in the seatbacks with the magazines. With the caption 9 of 10 pilots agree.

Then maybe we can get some quotes from management.

"F*** the pilots." "FO's will never make as much as the flight attendants."
​

BTW does anyone know the words to "What made Milwaukee famous"?

 

[Fozzy]

Since when do you care if it has his name in it. Or maybe I am confusing you with Troll.

You are confusing one thing with another. Our goals as far as getting a contract, with protecting the rights of a Union member. I know you think you are being witty with your poster boy comments. Ha ha. Have a laugh. But you are now making jokes and dodging the topic.
He is a Union pilot. He was wrongfully terminated. The union is doing its job by protecting him. He has nothing to do with us moving forward on the contract. You are trying to mix the two.
And that sir is bull$hit.

Now I must sleep, or tomorrow's commute home will be very long.

 

[Starman]

It's amusing to most of us that Santulli's panties are in such a wad that he is appealing this to federal court. I wonder if it's going to finally dawn on him that he lost the case when the Judge tosses the case out due to a lack of jurisdiction. Maybe someone at Woodbridge could sign RTS up for a short course on business law and the RLA. Ego is a hugely dangerous thing when it gets in the way of making smart business decisions.

 

[FamilyGuy]

It's amusing to most of us that Santulli's panties are in such a wad that he is appealing this to federal court. I wonder if it's going to finally dawn on him that he lost the case when the Judge tosses the case out due to a lack of jurisdiction. Maybe someone at Woodbridge could sign RTS up for a short course on business law and the RLA. Ego is a hugely dangerous thing when it gets in the way of making smart business decisions.

I think this case, much like the Alaska Airlines arbitrators decision, shows that you never know what's going to happen when you go to an arbitrator (or court)

 

[FamilyGuy]

Since when do you care if it has his name in it. Or maybe I am confusing you with Troll.

You are confusing one thing with another. Our goals as far as getting a contract, with protecting the rights of a Union member. I know you think you are being witty with your poster boy comments. Ha ha. Have a laugh. But you are now making jokes and dodging the topic.
He is a Union pilot. He was wrongfully terminated. The union is doing its job by protecting him. He has nothing to do with us moving forward on the contract. You are trying to mix the two.
And that sir is bull$hit.

Now I must sleep, or tomorrow's commute home will be very long.

Fozzy - I'm not trying to mix the two topics, just trying to point out the absurdity of the unions position on this issue. There appears to be a clear double standard at play. Reverse the issue and ask yourself if you'd feel the same way if Bridgeway Bob had filmed a similar clip of himself blasting away at some of the union picketing signs and posted a link to the video on the company website. I think the union would be screaming bloody murder and asking for his head if it happened. I dont think they would be sitting back and making the argument that its 'free speech' and its not really an example of workplace violence.