NetJets Strike Passes By 93%

[El Chupacabra]

Thats a great idea... why don't you suggest to management that we put all the information in a letter to all the owners. Better yet stick in the seatbacks with the magazines. With the caption 9 of 10 pilots agree.

Then maybe we can get some quotes from management.

"F*** the pilots." "FO's will never make as much as the flight attendants."
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BTW does anyone know the words to "What made Milwaukee famous"?

 

[Fozzy]

Since when do you care if it has his name in it. Or maybe I am confusing you with Troll.

You are confusing one thing with another. Our goals as far as getting a contract, with protecting the rights of a Union member. I know you think you are being witty with your poster boy comments. Ha ha. Have a laugh. But you are now making jokes and dodging the topic.
He is a Union pilot. He was wrongfully terminated. The union is doing its job by protecting him. He has nothing to do with us moving forward on the contract. You are trying to mix the two.
And that sir is bull$hit.

Now I must sleep, or tomorrow's commute home will be very long.

 

[Starman]

It's amusing to most of us that Santulli's panties are in such a wad that he is appealing this to federal court. I wonder if it's going to finally dawn on him that he lost the case when the Judge tosses the case out due to a lack of jurisdiction. Maybe someone at Woodbridge could sign RTS up for a short course on business law and the RLA. Ego is a hugely dangerous thing when it gets in the way of making smart business decisions.

 

[FamilyGuy]

It's amusing to most of us that Santulli's panties are in such a wad that he is appealing this to federal court. I wonder if it's going to finally dawn on him that he lost the case when the Judge tosses the case out due to a lack of jurisdiction. Maybe someone at Woodbridge could sign RTS up for a short course on business law and the RLA. Ego is a hugely dangerous thing when it gets in the way of making smart business decisions.

I think this case, much like the Alaska Airlines arbitrators decision, shows that you never know what's going to happen when you go to an arbitrator (or court)

 

[FamilyGuy]

Since when do you care if it has his name in it. Or maybe I am confusing you with Troll.

You are confusing one thing with another. Our goals as far as getting a contract, with protecting the rights of a Union member. I know you think you are being witty with your poster boy comments. Ha ha. Have a laugh. But you are now making jokes and dodging the topic.
He is a Union pilot. He was wrongfully terminated. The union is doing its job by protecting him. He has nothing to do with us moving forward on the contract. You are trying to mix the two.
And that sir is bull$hit.

Now I must sleep, or tomorrow's commute home will be very long.

Fozzy - I'm not trying to mix the two topics, just trying to point out the absurdity of the unions position on this issue. There appears to be a clear double standard at play. Reverse the issue and ask yourself if you'd feel the same way if Bridgeway Bob had filmed a similar clip of himself blasting away at some of the union picketing signs and posted a link to the video on the company website. I think the union would be screaming bloody murder and asking for his head if it happened. I dont think they would be sitting back and making the argument that its 'free speech' and its not really an example of workplace violence.

 

[FAcFriend]

sorry to change the subject, but i heard a NJ pilot volunteered for overtime (he has kids) and other pilots were harassing him for hleping the co. (the pilot was paid for the time worked he just needed extra cash). I also heard some pilots were harassing other pilots for volunteering for OT no matter what the reason- Ot needed for education expenses, OT needed for med bills, etc.

Is this true?

 

[FLYLOW22]

sorry to change the subject, but i heard a NJ pilot volunteered for overtime (he has kids) and other pilots were harassing him for hleping the co. (the pilot was paid for the time worked he just needed extra cash). I also heard some pilots were harassing other pilots for volunteering for OT no matter what the reason- Ot needed for education expenses, OT needed for med bills, etc.

Is this true?

Volunteering to cover bills that are already hard to cover thanks to the crap wage this job pays is one thing. Kids, education, taxes, etc. That's one thing.

Volunteering to make the corvette payment or some other non-essentials is just improper.

Let the pilot deal with his/her peers. It will work out. It always does. In the end this is a pilot issue.

OT wouldn't be needed (for some) if Boisture was willing to pay more that 69K at year 5.

 

[Bad Monkey!]

Hey it's nancy boy foaming at the mouth again! OK troll, let's set the record straight.

The video was a link on the old 284 union website, are you still following me or am I going too fast? As such the website specifically had the warning that it was a restricted site, and as such it was protected by federal wiretap and viewing laws, still with me nancy? So on that site there was a thread linking to the video, still there?

So for you managemnet hacks the only way for you to have gotten ahold of that video was to violate federal law!

The way the video was brought to the attention of the company was by one of the former, fab 5, mec's wife. Did she have access to the website? no, not by the definition of being a union member (wiretap law violated), now when the company accessed the link it was through the union website (federal law violated by the company).

To diferentiate between workplace violence and free speech you must ask yourself these questions:

1. what occured? a guy making a video with disclaimers and syncing the action with music shooting a company dvd (free speech).

2. Did the firing occure on company property? No (not workplace violence).

3. Did a violation of federal law occure with the firing of the weapon? No (legal in the state that it occured, not on company property;not work place violence).

4. Did he injure anyone on company property? no (not workplace violence).

Now follow along here troll and be a man and not a nancy boy and answer this question:

1. Was it not workplace violence when one of our schedulers, while being escorted off the property, put his fist through a wall in rage?

Bueller?? anyone??

C an't H elp I t P al, because you are who you are mole.

 

[FAcFriend]

Volunteering to cover bills that are already hard to cover thanks to the crap wage this job pays is one thing. Kids, education, taxes, etc. That's one thing.

Volunteering to make the corvette payment or some other non-essentials is just improper.

Let the pilot deal with his/her peers. It will work out. It always does. In the end this is a pilot issue.

OT wouldn't be needed (for some) if Boisture was willing to pay more that 69K at year 5.

I heard this pilot group was not differentiating between the Ot for legitimate reasons and or for corvette payments. They were just harassing pilots. YOu know regardless of their pay sometimes, we all know this, with kids things come up, tutors, camps, etc. and also sometimes people have to help support their parents etc. and co workers dont even know about it.

Do you guys differentitate before you hassle someone about working OT? Do you require a dr note or something before you think it is ok?

 

[El Chupacabra]

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.

We just voted to Strike. I don't think that means anyone should be volunteering for overtime. Instead you should get your butt over to MKE and Picket.

 

[Hogprint]

sorry to change the subject, but i heard a NJ pilot volunteered for overtime (he has kids) and other pilots were harassing him for hleping the co. (the pilot was paid for the time worked he just needed extra cash). I also heard some pilots were harassing other pilots for volunteering for OT no matter what the reason- Ot needed for education expenses, OT needed for med bills, etc.

Is this true?

Well Fac, what do you consider harassment? What did the pilots do? Can you give us any details?

 

[Hogprint]

The fried said:

They were just harassing pilots

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Please. Tell us what they did!

Do you require a dr note or something before you think it is ok?

You mean like the company does if we call in sick and they are trying to harass us?

 

[Some Dude]

FAcfriend, you are posting more misinformation. Why even post here when you know nothing about what you speak of? The list of overtime is published by the COMPANY.

 

[FAcFriend]

Well Fac, what do you consider harassment? What did the pilots do? Can you give us any details?

Hoggy, I am just asking questions about a rumor. I also heard in a PM that some pilots have started to website to list the names of those who make disparaging comments about pilots who are volunteering for OT.

I have been unable to verify this information and am asking questions.

Maybe I have said too much in this forum.

I was looking for verification from people like you who I think, are generally in the know.

 

[El Chupacabra]

Why are you so concerned?

I hate to see people work overtime. Would be better to go home to see your family.

Overtime is no solution to money problems. Only enables those that would have you work for low wages continue to do so for a longer period of time.

Perhaps more people will realize this.

So I cannot encourage anybody to work overtime. It just not 'the right thing to do'.