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[gutshotdraw]

After day 2 I can usually tell if the person I'm flying with is a slacker or is on their game.

It takes you until DAY 2???? I can usually tell by LEG 2

 

[DO-82 driver]

Hey, I'm generous...... trying to help the guy out.

 

[x402]

To everyone that seems to be attacking me about the drive, I knew what it was and I knew it would be until 2010. I also know that you had to drive before. That being said it is currently an A and B scale when you have different rules for different parts of the pilot group. I knew the drive and was prepared for it. It is now starting to wear on me. The airlines are starting to hire, and with them better FO pay is offered. My whole point is that if this isnt addressed, I think the turnover rate will only get worse.

There had better be a huge raise or this thing isn't going to pass. They are tweeking too many things, the latest, No Diff' pay for Xl/XLS pilots isn't going to sit well.
All you swimmers should stay tuned.......

 

[Diesel]

Day 1 sometime between before starting engines checklist and the nutcracker test.

 

[FLYLOW22]

As a newbie, the senior guys look at you as if you are not a "quality" pilot.

Call it whatever you want. There is a learning curve doing what we do here at NetJets.

I THOUGHT that I knew this job pretty well after the 1st 2 years. After 5+, I've realize that I too was on a learning curve for much of that.

I'm not talking about just manipulating controls. I talking about dealing with certain FBOs, Owner issues, high workload airports, making quick decisions which either way could make you look like the bad man, remembering that the BED locker is useless so don't rely on it for anything etc, etc.

This job is so much about service and so little about flying. It's absolutely expected that flying is already not only handled, but mastered when stepping on this property.

What does someone who is at the top of his/her game have to offer NetJets and flying partners (PICs)? Total attention (or as much as possible) to focusing on the Owner and service and developing those skills.

As a former airline guy, most of my people skills would get me an award as "greatest retard" when talking to Mr. and Mrs. Big about something they found pertinent or useful.

The learning curve is normal. Top of game folks make that learning curve shorter and that's better for everyone here.

Time is spent on learning service techniques rather than learning to fly into challenging environments.

That being said, I'll fly with who I am paired with. I assume the guy next to me has checked out just like me. It's up to him/her to prove themselves differently. I would also be inaccurate to say that I just sit there and let them flop around aimlessly without providing some suggestions to smooth things along. Guys did it for me several times when I was learning service technique.

 

[acaTerry]

The economy is dropping. Where will the economy be in 2010.

Uh... look a little closer. Turn off the drive-by media and look the financial pages. The economy is doing fine.

 

[Dr Pepper]

You may want to ask an IOE guy about some of those "quality people". Qualified...yes. Quality...sometimes.

Let us all be clear. There are bad PICs and there are bad SICs at all companies and at all levels of seniority. There are also plenty of great PICs and SICs. And there are those that are not overly terrible and not outstanding, they just get the job done. Each one of us gets to choose which one we want to be.

 

[Dr Pepper]

This is sooo far beyond opening up new bases.

I am sure that there are sooo many changes in this new contract that many people are going to find reasons to vote "PRO" and many reasons to vote "CON".

I am very interrested in the LOA's and the specific language associated with them. I'll be super critical for loopholes.

The PTO thing is another can of worms. There are numerous questions about this program that MUST be addressed before my "YES" vote is secured.

Seniority rights as it pertains to bidding.

Having to declare an alternative HBA and then having to use that HBA by 2010 has some really negative tones.

I also feel the Base Airport list, which is fixed at 100 right now, may be increased at the last minute to apease the masses.

Oh yeah.....and $$$$$.

I'm sure the message board discussion will shine a light on more of the Benefits and Pitfalls of this new contract. That's when my decision will be made.

I hope that everyone will not only read what is in this IBB, but what is not in it. SCOPE. This topic plays a huge role in potential earnings. No scope and a new amendable date could easily buy a no vote from me, despite me wanting relief from LAX. If we give a lot back now, what bargaining power will we retain in the next round to fix this growing problem.

 

[Guitar Guy]

I hope that everyone will not only read what is in this IBB, but what is not in it. SCOPE.

Just wait for 10/1. We'll see what all of the details are. And B.O. is on record as saying that his focus for 2008 is squarely on scope.

There's been a small hint by an MEC member that perhaps scope will be addressed in the proposal that we'll see on 10/1.

 

[Pugnacious G]

Just wait for 10/1. We'll see what all of the details are. And B.O. is on record as saying that his focus for 2008 is squarely on scope.

There's been a small hint by an MEC member that perhaps scope will be addressed in the proposal that we'll see on 10/1.

2008 perhaps. Unfortunately B.O. said flatly at last weeks meeting that scope would be unchanged in the '07 IBB.