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[netjetwife]

Sadly IBB is not just about Pay and Domiciles. ... .

Pay and QOL issues are two major areas that concern most voters. Naturally, those making the least will be the most concerned with the wages offered. Likewise, those with the least options for basing will be more interested in the improvements in that regard. My family will judge the TA by how many lives will be improved if it passes. That viewpoint is not espoused by those who will primarily consider how it affects them personally and are less interested in the finances of other families. Ironically, the NJ pilots wouldn't be enjoying their current contract if not for volunteers that placed service before self.

Some may think that such a viewpoint means the viewer is wearing "rose colored glasses" but I think it shows an understanding that a Union is by design supposed to work for the contract that brings the most overall improvements. I do hope we'll hear from NJ pilots who lives will be impacted if IBB passes. Unfortunately the rudeness sometimes encountered here tends to stifle civil discourse. Hopefully the silent majority can ignore the negative aspects of this forum and join in a discussion of the issues facing fractional pilots and their families. Pay and basing are critical considerations for many in aviation and I hope that raising the bar at NJA will have a positive ripple affect in the industry. NJW

 

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This board is open to all and for all to have any opinion they choose. I do not think NJW is doing anything wrong and is actually making some very intelligent comments about the IBB going on at NJ. Telling someone not to apply at NJ or any company is a bit strange. I say apply to NJ, now is a great time! I hear they have plans to hire many in the next few years. The whole point about these boards is to discuss many different topics and I enjoy reading the many posts. Keep up the good work NJW! Too many people get too personal and too wound up on these boards. It's all in fun.

I wouldn't want the responsibility of suggesting to interested applicants that the work being done as IBB will see the light of day and if it does that it will pass. THAT is not helping pilots plan their future. Just ask pilots that started here, oh let's say 6.5 years ago, ask them what their expectations were and how that worked out.
Granted, at this point the self imposed deadline is 24 hrs away. I'm sure this board we be aware of the content as soon as it is published (if it is).
However, this does not insure it passage.
So, who has served the pilots on this board? Someone that says it's a done deal, line up?
Or someone that says take a deep breath and be sure about what your stepping into?
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[brokeflyer]

that IBB is gonna sink faster than a rock.....

 

[Diesel]

My family will judge the TA by how many lives will be improved if it passes. That viewpoint is not espoused by those who will primarily consider how it affects them personally and are less interested in the finances of other families.

Sorry I can't control the finances of other families. When I open the pdf document tomorrow I will look at it in a long term view for the pilots. Not a short term fix to a long term problem for the crews. Work rules, qol issues, schedule, pay, maintaining hba's and reducing loopholes for the company. Each pilot has their own issues. Mine are long term views for keeping this the best job in the business.

I won't see the extra money, nor will I see any of the changes. All the more reason to make sure I make sure that these changes are good for long term NJA pilots. Sans emotion.

Thinking that pilots won't look at the ibb for themselves first and then the pilot group is naive. I'm a realist not an optimist. This is a business, i don't believe that optimism or emotion has any place in business. I believe in factual data.

I read a great quote today. By one of the most dynamic business leaders in the USA. An alligator is sitting on the bank of a river. He's watching the most amazing feasts of birds and small animals cross right under his nose. He knows he can snatch any one of them and have a meal. But he knows also that such a small animal isn't worth the effort. He's waiting patiently for that bigger animal happy to let the small ones go by.

PS if you can't see the humor in sarcasm... well i can't help you there.

 

[netjethusband]

i missed you dear. it's so nice to read your heartfelt posts again.

 

[acaTerry]

Will it be available on the IBB boards? They still aint got my email right...

 

[skiandsurf]

I won't see the extra money, nor will I see any of the changes. All the more reason to make sure I make sure that these changes are good for long term NJA pilots. Sans emotion.

With that brand new GIV type rating, do you even get to vote? ( a real question).

 

[netjetwife]

Actually, NJ pilots can affect the finances of other NJ families by voting for or against the pay raise. Taking offered improvements now doesn 't stop the pilot group from fighting for HBAs for all (or any other issue) when the agreement becomes amendable. It brings the desired goal closer within reach and helps the pilots make the case that what they ask for is not unreasonable and has not caused the company any hardship. Progressing from 100 cities should be easier than trying to get to HBAs from only 5 domiciles. The same long-term bargaining strategy applies to wages.

1108's leadership and the IBB team are committed to making NJA a viable long-term career and they appear to support the proposal. The two positions are not mutually exclusive... nor are those who support it naively basing their opinions on emotion. The 1108 IBB team worked on the TA with analytical minds while they juggled the diverse needs of a large pilot group. It was definitely a task that required lots of brain power, but emotional reasons also apply when dedicated volunteers sacrifice their own personal time and gain to serve the greater good. When those same sentiments are expressed by the Membership as a whole it is an example of unity.

There is historical precedence in my belief that NJ pilots can stand together for the greater good, even if it requires them to put the needs of their fellow pilots before their own personal gain. During the contract battle 118 FOs got a hand up when those senior to them passed down a PIC bid. Each did so optimistically believing that the bypass pay bid would help others. The gesture was greatly appreciated by those who got the pay raise and was viewed with pride by many in the pilot group for its show of unity.

Following closely,
Netjetwife

PS Apparently the alligator wasn't too hungry. Must be a 5 year or plus NJ PIC not an SIC living on slim pickings and traveling a long distance just to get to the river bank.

 

[Diesel]

Ski- Yes

 

[Diesel]

Actually, NJ pilots can affect the finances of other NJ families by voting for or against the pay raise. Taking offered improvements now doesn 't stop the pilot group from fighting for HBAs for all (or any other issue) when the agreement becomes amendable. It brings the desired goal closer within reach and helps the pilots make the case that what they ask for is not unreasonable and has not caused the company any hardship. Progressing from 100 cities should be easier than trying to get to HBAs from only 5 domiciles.

I'm sorry but reality doesn't usually work this way. You say you are increasing the domiciles for the new hires but I say there is a bigger chance of reducing HBA's in the long term. Its already evident with having to permanently chose an hba by 2010. How is it an hba when you have to choose a permanent one?

Like I said the document comes out tonight and its a long term thought process. Optimism, or hoping the company does the right thing is naive.

But hey the world needs positive happy people, and gosh darnit people like me.

 

[Guitar rocker]

I read a great quote today. By one of the most dynamic business leaders in the USA. An alligator is sitting on the bank of a river. He's watching the most amazing feasts of birds and small animals cross right under his nose. He knows he can snatch any one of them and have a meal. But he knows also that such a small animal isn't worth the effort. He's waiting patiently for that bigger animal happy to let the small ones go by.

PS if you can't see the humor in sarcasm... well i can't help you there.

Kinda funny and cute in theory there Diesel. But I dont think thats how alligators work........if hes hungry, whatever is infront of its beak is going down.

Are you sure your gonna know what to do with that big ole Gulfstream cuz it dont have no floats or carb heat/mags and suction guage.

 

[brokeflyer]

I'm sorry but reality doesn't usually work this way. You say you are increasing the domiciles for the new hires but I say there is a bigger chance of reducing HBA's in the long term. Its already evident with having to permanently chose an hba by 2010. How is it an hba when you have to choose a permanent one?

Like I said the document comes out tonight and its a long term thought process. Optimism, or hoping the company does the right thing is naive.

But hey the world needs positive happy people, and gosh darnit people like me.

yup if this gets voted in then you only have 5 more years to enjoy your HBA.......

 

[Diesel]

Kinda funny and cute in theory there Diesel. But I dont think thats how alligators work........if hes hungry, whatever is infront of its beak is going down.

Are you sure your gonna know what to do with that big ole Gulfstream cuz it dont have no floats or carb heat/mags and suction guage.

Whatever i've played with enough gators in my life to know it takes a pretty long stick and a mexican to make them hungry. BTW some of those fatties in your neck of the woods would feed an alligator for years to come.

Yeah i was in the floatplane last week looking for an overhead panel and apu starter switch. Of course both planes were built the same year....

BTW I saw our favorite rep today. And Mini Me.

 

[hopalong]

PS Apparently the alligator wasn't too hungry. Must be a 5 year or plus NJ PIC not an SIC living on slim pickings and traveling a long distance just to get to the river bank. [/quote]

LOL, She got you there Diesel. And she's right.

 

[skiandsurf]

What if....we vote this IBB down and the company then opens 5 more Domiciles (ORD, DEN, ATL, STL, SFO), and leaves the pay as is, would you guys be happy with that?