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[Diesel]

Its an A scale B scale in your own mind. The only difference is the HBA's which after a percentage of new hires you can then become eligible for.

You should have looked at the drive before getting hired. Are you still going to be screaming its a B scale when you're only driving to 100 instead of all HBA's? I think you will after the newness of the 100 wears off and you know there is an HBA airport closer.

I'd hate to see the company lose pilots but accepting a short term fix for a long term problem is not the answer.

 

[FLYLOW22]

As far as team work, I know teamwork. Within the last 6 months, I wrote my first email to my CP. I got a free dinner for my efforts. Has your CP bought you dinner?

Yes. A few times. I have returned the favor when the situation warranted. Never for CPs though... they are machines that never eat. They only write memos!!! JK.

 

[Pugnacious G]

Reality check to ski and bucks

When I was hired, CMH was the ONLY domicile. People either moved to CMH or they commuted. Nobody cried about it. I don't know of a single pilot who quit because they had to drive too far. People only quit if they found a better job. The domiciles only expanded when they ran out of applicants. I get the distinct impression that y'all somehow didn't know that you were signing on to the post-rat deal.

Look buckeyes95, you're absolutely right that it's a B scale and it's wrong. It needs to be fixed, and the '05 CBA allows the company to fix it tomorrow by expanding HBA availability to 100% of the work force. Guess what, they won't do it because they think we'll give them something back. Focus your agression on the company or move to your domicile or quit. Blaming pre-rats will get you nowhere.

I'm not a yes or no voter yet but I'm sure getting sick of this post-rat whining. I and most pre-rats will not give one dime away to get you what you deserve. That may sound selfish to you, but you should applaud our resolve. It's the company that needs to make it right. The company doesn't need us to give anything back. Look at the profits. They just need to make it right for you. I sincerely hope they do.

 

[skiandsurf]

When I was hired, CMH was the ONLY domicile. People either moved to CMH or they commuted. Nobody cried about it. I don't know of a single pilot who quit because they had to drive too far. People only quit if they found a better job. The domiciles only expanded when they ran out of applicants. I get the distinct impression that y'all somehow didn't know that you were signing on to the post-rat deal.

Look buckeyes95, you're absolutely right that it's a B scale and it's wrong. It needs to be fixed, and the '05 CBA allows the company to fix it tomorrow by expanding HBA availability to 100% of the work force. Guess what, they won't do it because they think we'll give them something back. Focus your agression on the company or move to your domicile or quit. Blaming pre-rats will get you nowhere.

I'm not a yes or no voter yet but I'm sure getting sick of this post-rat whining. I and most pre-rats will not give one dime away to get you what you deserve. That may sound selfish to you, but you should applaud our resolve. It's the company that needs to make it right. The company doesn't need us to give anything back. Look at the profits. They just need to make it right for you. I sincerely hope they do.

I ask you this...does the company want more bases or is it the union trying to get more bases? From what I know, and thats not much, is that they are filling the classes with quality people. And yes, guys are quiting with a fresh type rating, but is it due to bases or money. So, what is the problem? is it the bases or the low pay? I am guessing that guys would put up with the drive (or move) if the money was enough to justify.

On the union board, someone asked who initated this IBB, company or union, and there is no good answer.

BTW, I live in So Cal, so I am fine with LAX. SNA is closer, but I will probably stay with LAX if given a choice......never liked flying into SNA on an airliner.

 

[DO-82 driver]

This is sooo far beyond opening up new bases.

I am sure that there are sooo many changes in this new contract that many people are going to find reasons to vote "PRO" and many reasons to vote "CON".

I am very interrested in the LOA's and the specific language associated with them. I'll be super critical for loopholes.

The PTO thing is another can of worms. There are numerous questions about this program that MUST be addressed before my "YES" vote is secured.

Seniority rights as it pertains to bidding.

Having to declare an alternative HBA and then having to use that HBA by 2010 has some really negative tones.

I also feel the Base Airport list, which is fixed at 100 right now, may be increased at the last minute to apease the masses.

Oh yeah.....and $$$$$.

I'm sure the message board discussion will shine a light on more of the Benefits and Pitfalls of this new contract. That's when my decision will be made.

 

[gunfyter]

82,

If I lose money (or have to work more days) I vote no... Otherwise I vote yes. In 10 days we all find out. I can live with the other stuff (as we think we know it now).

Like to see HBA for all. But if e-board thinks 100 bases is best they can get ... I can go for that... as long as it does not cost me money.

But remember... 18 day schedule or the 15 Flex (with no HH days) is NOT a replacement for the Reserve.

 

[Cavpilot]

From what I know, and thats not much, is that they are filling the classes with quality people.

You may want to ask an IOE guy about some of those "quality people". Qualified...yes. Quality...sometimes.

 

[hopalong]

As a newbie it is unfortunate that some of us are not understanding the importance of respecting and really listening to the senior pilots. With any company, seniority has privelages, as it should. We are the new guys on the block and I think we owe a thanks to those who fought the fight for us to have an appealing job at NJA. They have seen more from the company and lived it and feel as if they just fought a long hard fight to find themselves having to be in a position to possibly give up certain things. And when I read these message boards it's hard not to cringe when someone is willing to give less than extraordinary service to a customer because he/she is mad at pilots who will vote no. Ski, please don't represent us in that way. Some of us newbies including myself have excellent work ethic and will never compromise it because it is built in our character.
With that being said, I see a lot of the senior pilots
getting defensive. I would encourage everyone to watch the hangar video to get as much information as possible. I think we all need to have an open mind come Oct.1 and not be hasty. After reading some threads, I get the impression that some of the senior pilots will simply vote "no" just to spite the whiny newbies. Please lets all have an open mind and put
our feelings aside that day. We need to really read through it all and think long and hard before we vote. I would hope that we are all mature enough to consider what we all will gain and sacrifice before we vote.

 

[skiandsurf]

As a newbie

As a newbie, the senior guys look at you as if you are not a "quality" pilot.

 

[DO-82 driver]

As a newbie, the senior guys look at you as if you are not a "quality" pilot.

Ski, I start every tour assuming that the person I'm flying with is a professional and I trust that since they have completed IOE they are fully able and willing to perform their job with efficiency and accuracy.

I tell them right off if I can help out let me know I'd jump right in. Its a 2 person crew.

After day 2 I can usually tell if the person I'm flying with is a slacker or is on their game. Sometimes all they need to do is develop a routine and I understand that takes time.

I'd kindly ask that you not generalize by assuming that the "senior guys" are unprofessional and prejudicial.