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[skiandsurf]

I'd kindly ask that you not generalize by assuming that the "senior guys" are unprofessional and prejudicial.

I dont think I ever said that "the senior guys are unprofessional", but I am almost certain that "some" of the senior guys think that the quality of the newhires is less than desirable.

Not to keep throwing fuel on the fire, but....is the issue the Domiciles or the Money? I have asked this question, but no answer.

And Olsen and RTS said that they want "Netjets to be one of the best aviation jobs". I am willing to see what they think is the best aviation job.

 

[DO-82 driver]

I dont think I ever said that "the senior guys are unprofessional", but I am almost certain that "some" of the senior guys think that the quality of the newhires is less than desirable. When you wrote that the "senior guys mlook at you as if you are not a "quality" pilot" implies that senior guys judge the person they are flying with and decide what they are before the first leg starts. I would say this is unprofessional regardless of what profession you are in.

Not to keep throwing fuel on the fire, but....is the issue the Domiciles or the Money? I have asked this question, but no answer. The issue is every section that has changed under the IBB agreement. If it were just Domiciles, I think this would be a slam-dunk. But its now awhole lot more and I am not prepared to vote for anything that will cost me anything, be it cash, H-days, sick time, PTO, HBA relocation or contract amendable date.

And Olsen and RTS said that they want "Netjets to be one of the best aviation jobs". I am willing to see what they think is the best aviation job. RTS has been saying this for the past 9 years, but those are just words....action is what puts meat on the table. They know that in order for this place to grow at the pace they wish, $1 billion for 96 planes, they MUST attrack alot of qualified people. 5 Domiciles isn't going to cut it in the long run.

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[RNObased]

The drives getting real old, real fast. Either it goes away, and the B scale with it, or I go away.

The thing that gets me Buckeye, is that you seem the think the newhires are the only that EVER had to drive to a base around here. This kills me, many of us did it for five or more years, so you aren't telling us anything we don't already know.

 

[RNObased]

I dont think I ever said that "the senior guys are unprofessional", but I am almost certain that "some" of the senior guys think that the quality of the newhires is less than desirable.

Some are, some aren't. Like anything else. Had a new hire on my plane last year that refused to lift a finger with regards to the owners. Had a little chat with him, things got tolarable for the rest of the tour.

He was thinking about going back to Delta, I told him that was a great idea. He did go back there, NJA wasn't his gig.

But slamming the senior guys because of how you think we look at you, is BS.

 

[theskyking]

Yeah, Jr guys knew the deal when they got hired, but its still an A scale and a B scale. I know many people feel the same way I do. The drives getting real old, real fast. Either it goes away, and the B scale with it, or I go away.

How did you take this job without expecting to make that drive till sometime after 2010?

 

[theskyking]

I hope I fly with you, or other NO voters. I will do my job, as described in the FOM. I will not clean the cabin. I will not get the catering. I will do all of my duties in the cockpit, and when the passengers leave, I will be right behind them.

After the last flight, I will go to the hotel while you clean and restock the plane. And dont forget to put the engine covers on.

See you in 2010.

Skiandsurf,

I see you are passionate about your stance on this. I can appreciate that. What I'm waiting for is for you to take this same stance on the 1108 website. It sure is easy to beat your chest and make a stand when you are hiding behind a screen name. Let's see you make those threats when you actually have to back them up.

This vote will be a democratic process. The minority will have to accept the results. That includes you if it doesn't pass. Throwing a fit is something my two year old would do. If it does pass, does that give those who voted no a free pass on acting in a unprofessional, selfish manner? No, so stop this juvenile argument and add something productive to the conversation.

 

[dillfer]

What's a Rat?

 

[skiandsurf]

Skiandsurf,

No, so stop this juvenile argument and add something productive to the conversation.

I am trying to find out who has initiated this IBB, was it the company or the union? no one seems to know or wants to tell.

Also trying to determine does the company really want to change the domicile issue....it doesnt seem like they want to.

And finally, why do guys quit? is it the drive, or the low SIC pay.

 

[DO-82 driver]

Ski,

send your questions to each member of the MEC and E-Board. I'm sure someone will answer them.

If you are hoping they will be answered here....forget it.

Go to the source directly...this is a very open administration.

If I were you I'd be very concerned about this whole duel pay for the XL/XLS.... Man!!! people are steamed about this one!!!!!

Guess it MIGHT cost some people some money....I'm sure they are going to make it up somewhere.

 

[buckeyes95]

To everyone that seems to be attacking me about the drive, I knew what it was and I knew it would be until 2010. I also know that you had to drive before. That being said it is currently an A and B scale when you have different rules for different parts of the pilot group. I knew the drive and was prepared for it. It is now starting to wear on me. The airlines are starting to hire, and with them better FO pay is offered. My whole point is that if this isnt addressed, I think the turnover rate will only get worse.