My first engine faliur

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not soon after 500' off doing a after T.O check, the rpm's dropped to about 1700

Am I recieving sub-standard training or something??? I've never heard of an "after T.O. check". After the climb we usually just throttle back, trim it, and turn the fuel-pump off....

 

[hotwings402]

Carb ice can sometimes creep up quick to where you don't notice the rpm drop. You'd be surprised. Had a mechanical one time that was a complete failure that we did'nt get a to airport, nice crappy field that we wrecked the plane in.

 

[Kream926]

Wouldn't call it an engine failure until the oil pressure is at zero and the bearings are gone filling the oil filter to the max.

ok ok i should have specified that it was a partial power loss. being a low timer i guess thats the worst that has happened to me so far and next to my solo i wouldnt forgett it.

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yes after to check. i think you fly a pa28 and i dont have too much time in em so i couldnt tell ya what it it. in a 52 it's

flaps up, mix set, power set needles in green

 

[Catbert]

Are YOU serious?? You can't buy that kind of experience...how do you get off thinkin' you don't have to pay for the time if you have some maint. problem in flight???....that's what all the 'simulated' training is all about, Sir. When you get to have a real one...then you wanna muck it it up with squealin' about PAYIN' for it??

I tell ya, these young kids today...

excuse me??

my inteded action for the flight was not to go around the pattern once at partial engine power

I think nosehair was just having a little fun with ya.

 

[Pilot_Ryan]

Am I recieving sub-standard training or something??? I've never heard of an "after T.O. check". After the climb we usually just throttle back, trim it, and turn the fuel-pump off....

Maybe, maybe not. Most single-engine, fixed-gear pistons don't require much in the way of pilot action right after takeoff, other than "Pitch for Vy." On the other hand, running after takeoff checks is a good habit to get into, as most airplanes you'll fly professionally in the future (if that's your goal) require them.

As I recall, I taught a "500 ft. check" which was basically an After T/O check. Gear up, flaps up, Vy. Pretty simple, but also common to much more complicated airplanes... you just add in bleeds, yaw damper, set cabin altitude, etc. etc.

 

[pianoman]

Bull s%&#t. You shouldn't have to pay for that. I wouldn't either. All you guys harassing him.... would you pay for a rental car that broke down 2 miles from the place? Good job on handling the emergency and any FBO worth their salt wouldn't charge in the hope of securing a good future customer. I guess you all would be happier if the engine would have quit totally and he had to total the plane in a field.

 

[erj-145mech]

The electric hobbs switches of course stop running when you turn off the master

Negative, the hour meter and the clock both run off of a 1A hot fuse, on the hot side of the master relay on the firewall. Turning off the master switch won't make any difference.

 

[Metro752]

they are just messing with him. Why would he have to pay for something that was broken. They can't make him. Then again if they really insist, he probably won't be flying there again, which is a shame.

 

[TurboS7]

Just kidding, glad to see you made it back to the airport O.K.

 

[mattpilot]

Q - are we talking about christiansen?

If so, if you have a maintence problem, i don't think they make you pay if its less than .3. I had a problem once in runup, brought it back, had .2 on it and no charge.

Anyhow - if it is christiansen, care sharing the tail number? I'd like to stay far away from that plane

 

[GravityHater]

you only get a break if you are carried out of the wreck by those guys in the somber black (and spill-proof) suits.... usually.

How about this, tell them if the near death experience was your fault you will pay them. If it was a mechanical issue,.. you won't tell your lawyer!!

 

[sqwkvfr]

Hobbs time starts when the power is switched on (usually). Some are on an oil pressure switch. Tach time starts when the engine is running, and runs slower at idle than at cruise power.

It's only fair, you rent it for the hour, you get charged by the hour.

The electric hobbs switches of course stop running when you turn off the master

Sorry about chiming in so late here, but I've got a question about this.

I've been told that that the hobbs time is the time that the engine is running in straight time and that the tach records time that the engine is operating faster than a certain RPM or as a function of the RPM vs. actual time (i.e. it spins slower at a lower RPM).

Was I told wrong?

 

[piper2av]

Pay the .3 and quit bitching and don't asked to compensated for the soild undies, either

I agre with the above statement....anytime that engine is running you are burning fuel, which the flight school is paying for. However it is a serious matter and the squawk should have been taken seriously.

I once lost an engine(cylinder crack) in flight and landed on the beach. My student was not charged a dime and he continued his private plt. training with me at the school.

 

[piper2av]

guess my student lucked out

 

[mattpilot]

Sorry about chiming in so late here, but I've got a question about this.

I've been told that that the hobbs time is the time that the engine is running in straight time and that the tach records time that the engine is operating faster than a certain RPM or as a function of the RPM vs. actual time (i.e. it spins slower at a lower RPM).

Was I told wrong?

No.. you were told right.

Now on some aircraft, mostly helicopters, everything goes off of the hobbs, no tach. And in some cases, like the bell 47, the hobbs is connected to the master. Meaning you can indeed turn off the master and the hobbs stops ticking