Maybe a reson to vote Dem.

[Abernathy]

Incredible that the abortion doctor refused to ever perform another abortion (after 10,000) and yet people are able to watch the same thing and blow it off as insignificant.

This mentality must be very similar to the acceptance jihadists have taken of cutting off a person's head. You must have to numb the mind and heart a great deal to reach that point.

Yes anyone who agrees with abortion (a significant plurality of the population) thinks like a jihadist.

Again, leave the emotions at home.

It could be worse. I could have said I agree with "partial birth" abortion, or whatever they call it now. But I don't. I think it's pretty horrific.

Either way, that was a video of a partial birth abortion. I should have been more clear in my initial post. I meant I find abortion acceptable as in 1st and 2nd trimester.

 

[FishandFly]

I didn't need to watch it again.

Why did you say that it is unacceptable in the third trimester?

At what discernible point are you drawing the line?

 

[acaTerry]

by the third trimester, you should be able to know whether or not you want the baby.

That's a decision that should be made before conception.

 

[Abernathy]

That's a decision that should be made before conception.

Ever been raped? Ever broke a condom? Mistakes happen.

This is a mistake that can easily be taken care of EARLY. Wait 7 months and you've had your chance.

I'm against partial birth abortion, and it didn't sting for me when Bush signed that legislation into law.

 

[FishandFly]

Yes anyone who agrees with abortion (a significant plurality of the population) thinks like a jihadist.

Again, leave the emotions at home.

It could be worse. I could have said I agree with "partial birth" abortion, or whatever they call it now. But I don't. I think it's pretty horrific.

Either way, that was a video of a partial birth abortion. I should have clarified. I meant I find abortion acceptable as in 1st and 2nd trimester.

Hell abernathy. You haven't even seen the video. It is an abortion at 12 weeks, not partial birth.

 

[Abernathy]

Hell abernathy. You haven't even seen the video. It is an abortion at 12 weeks, not partial birth.

Should have paid closer attention. I thought it was partial birth. I've never been good with ultrasounds.

I did watch the video. I just happened to have seen it a lot longer ago.

 

[FishandFly]

Abernathy, since it's not worth 27 minutes of your life to see this, TAKE 10 minutes

Here is the portion of the video showing the procedure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJzSiAPXTiQ&feature=related

 

[PCL_128]

Either way, that was a video of a partial birth abortion.

Actually, NO, it wasn't. Partial birth abortion is an even more brutal and despicable procedure that involved partially birthing the child and inserting scissors in its skull to the kill the baby before it's head has cleared the birth canal. What you saw was a regular old, run of the mill abortion. It was conducted just 11 weeks after conception.

 

[FishandFly]

Abernathy,
After about 10 minutes, please respond back to the following:

1. How is it that the abortion doctor refused to every perform an abortion again after watching this, but you and many others are unaffected?

2. Considering your concept of it being acceptable at this stage (12 weeks) what discernible point is reached in the third trimester which you suddenly consider this unacceptable?

 

[Abernathy]

Abernathy, since it's not worth 27 minutes of your life to see this, TAKE 10 minutes

Here is the portion of the video showing the procedure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJzSiAPXTiQ&feature=related

For the umpteenth time, I've seen the video. I just saw before you posted it.

And PCL_128, I know now it was 12 months. I thought this thread was about partial birth abortion, another video I've seen. Like I said, I've seen this video just a long time ago. I've seen a lot of stuff on abortion, videos, read the literature, covered it in classes, etc.

I should have watched it again when I saw this thread so I knew exactly what this one was about. My mistake.

Carry on.

 

[Abernathy]

Abernathy,

2. Considering your concept of it being acceptable at this stage (12 weeks) what discernible point is reached in the third trimester which you suddenly consider this unacceptable?

I responded directly to this question a few posts up. Read it.

 

[FishandFly]

I responded directly to this question a few posts up. Read it.

Abernathy:

I see it now:

Though no one knows exactly what it's like to be a 2nd trimester baby, I'm convinced that they're not conscious of the environment around them.

If you watch the video of the first trimester child:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJzSiAPXTiQ&feature=related

Why is the baby attempting to get away from the medical instruments and vacuum?

The child is freaking out and the heart rate is is skyrocketing to about 200 bpm.

Watch the video man.

 

[acaTerry]

Abernathy, why are you running from it? Afraid of what you'll see? I saw things that when i was younger I didn't think twice about, but now with an adult's mind I see differently. Quit running and look at the reality. The ostrich reflex doesn't change a thing.

 

[Abernathy]

Abernathy:

I see it now:

Though no one knows exactly what it's like to be a 2nd trimester baby, I'm convinced that they're not conscious of the environment around them.

If you watch the video of the first trimester child:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJzSiAPXTiQ&feature=related

Why is the baby attempting to get away from the medical instruments and vacuum?

The child is freaking out and the heart rate is is skyrocketing to about 200 bpm.

Watch the video man.

I haven't looked into abortion much since college. I see what your point is now.

It does look alarming seeing it now a few years later, and after watching the video now, I'm interested enough to look further into it.

 

[Abernathy]

Abernathy, why are you running from it? Afraid of what you'll see? I saw things that when i was younger I didn't think twice about, but now with an adult's mind I see differently. Quit running and look at the reality. The ostrich reflex doesn't change a thing.

How many times do I have to say this. I've seen the damned video. I just saw it a long time ago and my memory of it has since faded. But I just flipped through the meat of it again.

 

[PCL_128]

I haven't looked into abortion much since college. I see what your point is now.

It does look alarming seeing it now a few years later, and after watching the video now, I'm interested enough to look further into it.

Good man! See far-righties? This is how intelligent people respond to new information, rather than the Bush method of refusing to consider anything that goes against their preconceived notions.

 

[FishandFly]

College is probably the reason why so many people have views like that. Jackass professors want to discuss abortion? Why not give a first hand view of an abortion to the students instead of their BS opinions that are based on convenience and not fact.

We've had 3d ultrasounds available for years. Why aren't their videos in 3d showing the child's facial expressions as their limbs are ripped off their body.

 

[Abernathy]

This mentality must be very similar to the acceptance jihadists have taken of cutting off a person's head. You must have to numb the mind and heart a great deal to reach that point.

The irony. Are you a believer in capital punishment? Do you put more value on the life of an unborn fetus than you do a full conscious and grown person?

There have been many cases of people (college students, even) undergoing studies of samples of death row inmates. An alarming number were found to be innocent after close inspection.

How many people do you think have been unjustly executed? I think that's sicker. Yet it's easy to turn a blind eye to that in the name of "justice"...

 

[acaTerry]

Abernathy, I hope you look into it with the heart and eyes of a human being who is lucky to have not had someone else decide that your very existence was such an inconvenience that it was worth killing you over. To me it's as bad as the robber who decides that the $40 in your wallet is worth killing you for.
Again I'll remind you most prolifers prefer life imprisonment (LIFE meaning LIFE) than death penalty. Even though the number of women who are killed in abortion clinics by their "doctors" each year far supersedes the number of death row executions of innocent people through the entire US history.

 

[PCL_128]

The irony. Are you a believer in capital punishment? Do you put more value on the life of an unborn fetus than you do a full conscious and grown person?

There have been many cases of people (college students, even) undergoing studies of samples of death row inmates. An alarming number were found to be innocent after close inspection.

How many people do you think have been unjustly executed? I think that's sicker. Yet it's easy to turn a blind eye to that in the name of "justice"...

I only support capital punishment when overwhelming DNA evidence is available.