Maybe a reson to vote Dem.

[Herman Bloom]

Thanks spinproof. Don't think I need to make any comment about your posts.

 

[Soverytired]

I understand what you're saying, but unfortunately, politics is usually a "behind the scenes" business. Real business doesn't get conducted on the House and Senate floors. It gets conducted in back rooms and over drinks. It gets conducted in the Capital hallways and over the phone. It gets conducted in restaurants and in the homes of representatives.

That being said, it has little affect on us as pilots. The RLA is the law of the land for us as pilots, and Taft-Hartley, the NLRA, and many other labor laws generally don't apply to our operations.

I'll concede that far too much business in D.C. goes on behind closed doors. Surely you'll concede that "secret agendas" and lack of transparency are not a good things for a union consisting of numerous pilot groups with conflicting interests.

No matter. If ALPA truly is a professional union composed of highly specialized, highly trained, difficult to replace labor that is in an extreme shortage worldwide, the RLA should be absolutely meaningless. "How?", you ask?

ALPA demands revocation of the RLA, then follows with a full page NYT add calling for a "STRIKE FOR A DAY".

Whoops. ALPA gets fined. Reply with "STRIKE FOR THREE DAYS"

Whoops. ALPA leaders thrown in jail. Reply with "STRIKE FOR A WEEK"

The country would literally grind to a halt.

While I'm loath to provide ALPA with this kind of power (historically very corrupting), it nevertheless would make it an actual union, instead of dues collecting racket. The fact that ALPA is unable to command this respect shows beyond a doubt that whatever else it is, it's not much of a union.

ALPA has taken the position for decades that it's job is to beg for favors from Congress. This is silly. It's job is to negotiate with strong-arm tactics with business, not kiss Congressmen's butts.

There is a reason union membership continues to drop .. . and that reason is that unions talk big, but provide little. When a labor group like pilots should have business and the country by the balls, they mostly just whine about how no one is giving them permission to do what they want.

 

[PCL_128]

I'll concede that far too much business in D.C. goes on behind closed doors. Surely you'll concede that "secret agendas" and lack of transparency are not a good things for a union consisting of numerous pilot groups with conflicting interests.

No matter. If ALPA truly is a professional union composed of highly specialized, highly trained, difficult to replace labor that is in an extreme shortage worldwide, the RLA should be absolutely meaningless. "How?", you ask?

ALPA demands revocation of the RLA, then follows with a full page NYT add calling for a "STRIKE FOR A DAY".

Whoops. ALPA gets fined. Reply with "STRIKE FOR THREE DAYS"

Whoops. ALPA leaders thrown in jail. Reply with "STRIKE FOR A WEEK"

The country would literally grind to a halt.

While I'm loath to provide ALPA with this kind of power (historically very corrupting), it nevertheless would make it an actual union, instead of dues collecting racket. The fact that ALPA is unable to command this respect shows beyond a doubt that whatever else it is, it's not much of a union.

ALPA has taken the position for decades that it's job is to beg for favors from Congress. This is silly. It's job is to negotiate with strong-arm tactics with business, not kiss Congressmen's butts.

There is a reason union membership continues to drop .. . and that reason is that unions talk big, but provide little. When a labor group like pilots should have business and the country by the balls, they mostly just whine about how no one is giving them permission to do what they want.

Your idea has been tried before by a union called PATCO. Remember them? Didn't turn out so well. It wouldn't for us either.

 

[acaTerry]

Double post....oops

 

[acaTerry]

Whose morality? Yours? Mine? Thiers?

There is no room for morality in survival.

First, if you have the stomach to face the truth, look at this link and tell me how it can be right for some and wrong for others. WARNING: GRAPHIC PHOTOS of aborted babies. Don't cry to the moderator, you guys never complain about porn in here...

http://www.abortionno.org/Resources/pictures.html

Second, don't tell me there is no room for morality in survival. Our very survival, our existence and our civility is based upon some form of morality. Whether you choose your basis of morality on God, the moon or whatever, it is an absolute must in any civilized society. So if we can make it OK to kill our own children, why do you think anyone would care if your family survives at all? We kill the most defenseless of all, the unborn, but then somehow expect fairness to anyone else?

 

[PCL_128]

acaTerry, in all fairness, I think it's only right for you to specifically warn people what they're about to see if they click on that link. I'm on your side on the abortion debate, but some people can't stomach that kind of stuff.

 

[acaTerry]

acaTerry, in all fairness, I think it's only right for you to specifically warn people what they're about to see if they click on that link. I'm on your side on the abortion debate, but some people can't stomach that kind of stuff.

I did. I even put WARNING in all caps

 

[FishandFly]

I think people should look at with or without a weak stomach. What a very unfortunate choice for a woman to make.

 

[PCL_128]

I did. I even put WARNING in all caps

Yeah, but you just said "graphic." You didn't say "graphic pictures of aborted fetuses," or my preferred way of saying it, "graphic pictures of murdered babies."

 

[acaTerry]

OK there's a better warning.

 

[FishandFly]

Abortion doctor agreed to have a ladies abortion documented via ultrasound.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjNo_0cW-ek&feature=related

It will take you 27 minutes to watch, but if you think aborting a "fetus" is acceptable, you need to take the time to consider the alternative.

 

[Abernathy]

Abortion doctor agreed to have a ladies abortion documented via ultrasound.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjNo_0cW-ek&feature=related

It will take you 27 minutes to watch, but if you think aborting a "fetus" is acceptable, you need to take the time to consider the alternative.

Well, I still think it's acceptable. 1st and 2nd Trimester.

Third trimester, you had enough time to decide.

Now go look up one of the several academic articles discussing the number of people who have been vindicated from death row after DNA evidence was introduced years later. Also, consider the number of innocent people who have been accidentally executed in the past with these flaws.

Then tell me if you think our capital punishment system is acceptable.

 

[acaTerry]

Well, I still think it's acceptable. 1st and 2nd Trimester.

Third trimester, you had enough time to decide.

Now go look up one of the several academic articles discussing the number of people who have been vindicated from death row after DNA evidence was introduced years later. Also, consider the number of innocent people who have been accidentally executed in the past with these flaws.

Then tell me if you think our capital punishment system is acceptable.

You are a heartless person. And I think you may find it interesting that most prolifers prefer life prison sentences to the death penalty, if life was fully served.

 

[FishandFly]

Abernathy,
You posted minutes after me, so you did not even watch the video.

Please explain why it is not acceptable in the third trimester?

 

[PCL_128]

Well, I still think it's acceptable. 1st and 2nd Trimester.

Then I question your humanity.

Now go look up one of the several academic articles discussing the number of people who have been vindicated from death row after DNA evidence was introduced years later. Also, consider the number of innocent people who have been accidentally executed in the past with these flaws.

Then tell me if you think our capital punishment system is acceptable.

Separate issues. Obvious red herring. You don't want to face the realities of what you see in the video, so you try to deflect to another issue.

 

[FishandFly]

PCL, He didn't even watch the video. Ignorance at it's finest.

 

[PCL_128]

Abortion doctor agreed to have a ladies abortion documented via ultrasound.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjNo_0cW-ek&feature=related

It will take you 27 minutes to watch, but if you think aborting a "fetus" is acceptable, you need to take the time to consider the alternative.

This video should be required viewing for all high school students as part of any "sex ed" curriculum. That's the video that changed my mind about abortion. A horribly violent and despicable procedure.

 

[Abernathy]

Abernathy,
You posted minutes after me, so you did not even watch the video.

Please explain why it is not acceptable in the third trimester?

I said I don't think it's acceptable. I never said it should be outlawed.

I don't think an embryo is a person. And if you think a fertilized egg is a person, you need a reality check.

A fetuses brain, CNS, and control centers in the brain are not fully developed in the first trimester. Even after birth, connections are still being made in brain. Though no one knows exactly what it's like to be a 2nd trimester baby, I'm convinced that they're not conscious of the environment around them. A third trimester baby is pretty close to the viable stage. I know, because I know someone who was born 2 months premature and is 100% fine.

I think it's unacceptable because by the third trimester, you should be able to know whether or not you want the baby. By the third trimester, you should know whether or not the fetus is the product of a rape, incest, mistake, etc. And by around that time, the fetus is a viable baby.

There's my reason.

 

[Abernathy]

PCL, He didn't even watch the video. Ignorance at it's finest.

I didn't need to watch it again.

 

[FishandFly]

Incredible that the abortion doctor refused to ever perform another abortion (after 10,000) and yet people are able to watch the same thing and blow it off as insignificant.

This mentality must be very similar to the acceptance jihadists have taken of cutting off a person's head. You must have to numb the mind and heart a great deal to reach that point.